They aren't going to re-sign crap if they don't dump the salaries of at least Nash and Hayes. Maybe Girardi as well.
No one is questioning Hank at all. Everyone knows how great he is and has been, and what he has done for this team for years is beyond discussion. The question is, and it is a darn fair one, is having a goalie with an 8.5 mill cap hit a winning recipe? I am not sure of the answer, but I do think it is a fair question and something to wonder. That is a huge cap hit in goal, and even though Hank is great it isn't like he is SO much better than any goalie...or you need to have a crazy top level goalie to win a cup. It is certainly a fair discussion, and that is no knock on Hank at all. He has earned the money no doubt, but that isn't the debate IMO. As for Yandle...to me it is as simple. If the Rangers cannot deal Staal or Girardi I just don't see how they can keep Yandle. And that isn't because literally they cannot find a way to actually fit him under the cap...it is because their cap balance would be a HUGE disaster if we have Hank at 8.5, G at 5.5, Staal at 5.7, McD, at 4.7, and Yandle at 5.5 or so I would guess. That is an absolute recipe for unbalance against the cap. No way they can do that, and if they do Gorton should be called out immediately. Maybe you could argue resign Yandle knowing that next summer G loses his full NMC and you can deal him then, but even at that point you play a dangerous game of chicken...can you deal G for sure next summer AND how does the balance look next season with Hank and 4 dmen locked up for big money. How the F do we have a good winning balance next season. I couldn't do it unless I can deal Staal or G after this season. And that isn't a knock on Yandle and the element he adds, even though he is "questionable" in his own zone as dump says. Yandle is obviously very gifted with the puck, and adds an element few dmen do, but we cannot put ourselves in that kind of position against the cap IMO.
It's not a question of Hank's abilities and what he has done. It's the fact that his cap hit is much more than guys like Crawford and Quick who have won cups.
Exactly Mess. Hank has earned his money. Hank is great. Those aren't the issues. It's all about cap balance. And it is the same conversation with Yandle. It is not about his ability, it is about balance.
Trying to buck the trend this year, it won't be easy........Rangers have lost 15 games when they had a lead in the game. Can they reverse this trend come playoffs?
Hank's cap hit has been a problem since he got that ridiculous salary for a goalie. As great a goalie as he is he can't take us to the cup without the supporting cast. Who the hell knows whats going to happen this summer. To me the philosophy of gorton and av clashes: gorton likes skill, size and tough, av likes skill, size no big deal and non aggressiveness always turning the other cheek. Don't know how they mesh going forward. To me if skjei is playing rd down in hartford some kind of plan to move girardi may be in place which keeps yandle here hopefully with dylan as his partner giving us 2 good pairs with mcd and klein and possibly 3 if staal and skjei mesh. I think if we want to keep e.staal(I do) we also need m.staal here who is not that bad and will be better minus girardi and or boyle as partners. As for offense don't think hayes makes that much to be a significant cap savings. The guy needed to go is NASH whose cap hit is way too high for what he brings to the table and enables us to sign the other rfa's. He will still have value and teams that want him and I hope what we get back is a combo of picks and prospects without having to take much salary back. Hopefully Buch is here next season to join our top 9 as his replacement. Whatever happens both arneil and ulf need to go as their specialty and defensive philosophy are disasters. I still think we have enough to make a run in the playoffs if the players are interested and focused which unfortunately hasn't been the case too many times.
They don't only need to revamp this garbage roster, they need to can AV and his incomptent coaching stuff. No matter who they are going to bring in, this idiot's time is over here. Continues to play useless garbage while his better players are riding in the press box.
This. 1000000 times this. It won't matter who they bring in to play if they're playing this bullshit system of AV's. He's gotta go first and foremost. Then look at moving pieces. Who cares about moving players if AV is still here. Team will be just as porous defensively next year, if not worse.
His shelf life here has come to much quicker end then in Vancover. Everyone has figured him out but he refuses to adjust. I saw crappy Glass and Moore every other shift in the first period. Hayes can barely move but he continues to play him.
I disagree a little...we were how many goals of winning a cup 2 years ago...how many goals last year from getting to rhe finals. His cap hit, although large, wasnt the reason. That pussy Nash and his baby pussy Staal were.
His cap hit of 8.5 mill didn't go into place until last season Al. When we made the SCF he was at 6.875. Staal was at 3.975. Girardi was at 3.325. And we had very good depth and balance upfront with Pouliot/Brass/Zucc as the 3rd line. Like I said, I don't know the answer, but I do wonder if a cap hit that large is sustainable for a goalie long term on a SC type team. But I also agree with you if other guys do their jobs we have a cup. So I don't think that alone kills you, but it does take away your depth and margin for error as we have seen the past 2 seasons as Hank's cap hit went up, along with our D, and we lost the depth we had. It is also why I say NO SHOT we resign Yandle unless we can move a big contract on D. Simply cannot afford it and have any balance.
Yandle has 45 points. That's not a big deal and his 5 goals sucks. McDonagh had a better year a few years ago with 14 goals. I've gone back and forth on Yandle. However, unless they sign him without a NTC or NMC clause, forget it. At least if they sign him to one of those they can then trade him which is what they should have done at the deadline.
Hank is Hank though, and is obviously not going anywhere. Nash at 7.8 per, Girardi at 5.5 per, and Staal at 5.7 per. We simply cannot have all 3 of these deals on our books next season if we want to build back up a team that can win a SC with Hank still near the top. I'll say that right now. If we cannot deal one of these 3 contracts this summer we are f'd. Personally I think dealing 1 of those dmen is more important, but a good discussion can be had around that. With Skjei and McIlrath ready to step in next season and the fact that we need to have some balance against the cap makes me say dealing Staal or G should be a priority this summer IF we can get either to agree to a move. I think Girardi is the more likely guy because his full NMC becomes limited after next season, so maybe they say we'll deal you next summer, so give us a couple of teams this summer so we can all move on. Then you deal him and decide what you do on Yandle. You can slot him right into Girardi's cap #. To be honest I kind of don't want Yandle back. Yes he is very good with the puck and adds an element few dmen do, but man he is so bad in his own end. Soft in front of the net. Makes a lot of mistakes. As dump points out he is one of the very few minus players on the team. I almost rather deal G, let Yandle walk, put McIlrath and Skjei in the lineup, and work to add another dman via trade or signing to fill out the 6. Either way though I stand by my comment. If Nash, Staal, Girardi are all on this team next season we are in trouble. One of those dmen needs to go for sure IMO.
You and I are pretty much on the same page with Yandle dump. McD, Staal, Skjei, Klein, and McIlrath. I would like to see that 5 next season. Then add a 6th via signing or trade. Can we get Shattenkirk out of STL? He is a UFA after next season. Upfront you add Buch to the mix. Kreider is back. Miller is back. Hayes has a 3.75 cap hit this season. IF he is back that number goes down for sure. Lindberg gets a regular role. Moore and Stalberg are gone. We'll see on Staal. You have Step, Brass, Zucc, Fast, and most likely Nash. But I admit I actually don't hate our forwards. It is the D right now, and that is a total 180 from me. Interesting, but the whole offseason might hinge on can we move Girardi.
I hate Hayes. He's slow. Stupid. Lazy. Doesn't hit anybody for a guy 6'5. Doesn't fit AV's system at all. He's a guy you might be able to get a late first rounder and prospect for.
I am with you on Hayes. And he is another guy that refuses to shoot...we have enough of those players. My only caveat on him is if he takes a nice AAV cut. Does his cap hit go from 3.75 down to 2 mill +/-? If so we can keep him. If he expects to stay at 3 mill +, and with him I bet he does, then yeah we should deal him. We can get a decent pick for him...I agree. That would be a draft day deal if it happens. Hayes will score 13-15 goals this season, and he was awful really. So he still has potential. That's why I say if we can get him to take a 1 mill or more pay cut and get his AAV down to 2 to 2.5 tops he is worth the risk IMO. If not...move on.
Chuck, glad you see now the D is the problem as its been all season. They have sucked the wind out of the offense and have caused so many point blank shots on Hank that he looks shellshocked right now. When he got taken out yesterday with 19 minutes left in the second he skated off like a beaten man instead of cracking his stick over one of his defenseman heads. I think AV and his staff will be one of the changes made by gorton after the season.
They are not going to fire AV after one off year. However, some of our fans are always dense in that they think if a player struggles with our team he will suck everywhere which is not how it works. Hayes in another system on another team probably would be very good. Here, in this system, he sucks. He's too slow. Same for Girardi. However, you would have to eat half his contract most likely.
For a team that goes right up to the cap every season where every dollar is precious, I will guarantee you they will not have 2.75 mill of dead cap money the next 4 years...no shot dump. Now that doesn't mean G cannot be dealt if they can agree on him waiving the NMC, but no way will the Rangers eat half his money. As for Hayes, I agree with the overall premise, but will continue to add if he takes an AAV cut into the 2's he could be back. At 2.3 let's say, a 15 goal scorer with potential for more, is reasonable.
