OT If you are or have been in the Military- what do you think about the withdrawal from Syria?

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  1. riverman

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    In essence Trump just gave Syria and it's ports to the Russian forces. Maybe that's not important but it is what he's doing. The balance of power is now shifted in the region. Assad will be relieved he can now crank up his chemical weapons supply and finish the genocide he started without interruption. Obama's worst mistake was not removing Assad when he had the chance...he admitted it himself after the fact.
     
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    Mixed feelings.
    On the one hand we can't stay there forever.
    On the other hand I fear they'll regroup.
    I also think Bashar Hafez al-Assad is one of the worst villains the world has ever seen and would like to force him out and into retirement in some other country where he's looking over his shoulder for the rest of his hopefully miserable life.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Where's that wall, Donald? You know, the one Mexico paid for.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    The day Trump consults with anyone with any expertise on any subject is the day I eat my hat.
     
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    Yes, but here's what we did. Turkey wants to ethnically cleanse the Kurdish troops. Those are troops we've armed and swore to protect. Now we're pulling the rug out from underneath one of our allies.

    You're right saying we should've never been there. But once you make a commitment, you see it through.

    Trump just caused the Secretary of Defense to resign in protest for the first time EVER in our country's history:

    http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/se...he-first-time-in-our-countrys-history.339351/
     
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    Bring the Kurdish troops here. Leave a massive nuclear bomb there.

    Fixed.
     
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    This is just some weird shit to say...
     
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    LOL at surrender.

    Trump’s military slaughtered ISIS in Syria.

    Our military has bigger threats to crush.
     
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    Like Canada. If we take over their country we wouldn't need to ever build a wall.
     
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    When you say bigger threats, do you mean Mueller and his team? 'Cause I know you don't mean Russia.
     
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    It's time for this link -
     
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    There is no Trump military. There is a US military. Real Americans do not gift their military. Shame on you. Shame.
     
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    Trump has no military. He can only direct them in a broad way but cannot direct them into a war. Think of him as a General who takes orders from the Constitution, the Senate and the American electorate. The Senate takes orders from the Constitution and the electorate.
    "In 1973, at the end of the Vietnam War, Congress tried to reclaim some of its eroding authority by enacting the War Powers Resolution, overriding President Richard M. Nixon’s veto of the law. It says a president may only introduce forces into hostilities with congressional authorization or if the United States has been attacked."
     
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    I feel like you can't quote the War Power Resolution without also stating that it's never been enacted, it's constitutionality is in question, no Chief Executive of either party has ever acknowledged its power (in fact, stating that it removes Constitutionally-derived powers from the Executive) and multiple lawsuits from Congress to use it have been denied (including by the Supreme Court in 2000).
    The President has the military. Should Congress choose to not fund its overseas operations, it's well within Congress' right to do so. Frankly, if Congress said tomorrow "we're selling or mothballing every ship, tank and airplane in the force, and only funding troop levels of 500 officers and 5,000 enlisted soldiers" (getting rid of the Air Force and Navy and Marine Corps), they can do so. I'll leave without stating my opinion of whether (if?) Congress should do so.
     
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  16. barfo

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    They'd certainly want to keep the Space Force also, wouldn't they? I mean, the Army is great and all, but the Space Force is where it's at.

    barfo
     
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    meh...what the hell does 800M over 5 years do? That won't even cover the Blazers' payroll over the next 5 years.
     
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    This is the first open-source map of the like I've seen published (from an NGO, posted by the BBC). This tracks fairly closely with products that can't be posted here:

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    Many of the relatively-small number of forces there are not, shall we say, "regular" forces. At this point they're advising, which carries its own level of danger and risk-v-reward setup.

    I don't want to (can't?) comment on why? and should we? and surrender! and the like, but I've seen commentary in a few places that ISIS is still roaming the countryside at large. That part isn't true.
     
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  19. BrianFromWA

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    I'm sure you guys who follow MSM more than I do have seen plenty of examples of this, but I chuckled when I saw another friend post this earlier.
    [​IMG]
     
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  20. bodyman5000 and 1

    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    It was in jest. Prove to me that the security of the US is at risk long term by getting our troops out.

    My army vet buddy is pissed at Trump now because he loves Mattis.

    I've wanted our troops out of the Middle East forever.

    We literally have vets alive today that need penis transplants because of being over there. FUCK THAT.
     
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