If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Period!!

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  1. donkiez

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    Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

    Haven't you heard? That part has been delayed.

    I'll judge the "fairness" when all the propaganda dies down. See Mag's chain letter forward for reference.
     
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    Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

    False. LOL

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101218932

    Speaking of propaganda...
     
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    booyaaa you may have caught me if thats false. I've been working hard and not up to date on all the recent details.......... Correction is?
     
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    Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

    I'm not slamming you at all. Just because Obama lied yet again about his "fix" (which isn't a fix) doesn't mean I hold it against people who still believe whatever the guy says. I encourage everyone to seek out the truth. Just the other day in another thread we had a diehard Obama poster who was absolutely ignorant to how Obama grew up. It was hilarious to me.
     
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    Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

    I know it was a bullshit fix to appease republicans and deflect blame. The funniest part though is when he finally caves then he is an asshole for not following the law. I'm not a diehard Obama lover but the circle of crazy ends up making me defend Obama, to the likes of you, more than I care to. I read the exchange you mentioned also, I'm not sure why he took that position. I mean we all knew he grew up in Kenya right?

    The correction you posted though seems to have more to do with the CA board of insurance's decision.
     
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    Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

    The people who got cancelled are not getting their policies back.

    How about those people having to pay jacked up (higher) premiums? Many get premiums so high they cannot afford it and don't qualify for support?

    My understanding is the scam is to jack up the premiums of the young and healthy to cover higher costs of older people who likely access health care more frequently. Yet people I know in their 50s are tell me their premiums are being jacked up, too, after the policies they were happy with were cancelled.

    Oh yeah... "that part is delayed" means FAIL! To be fair.
     
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    Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

    Here's how I see it all playing out.

    WWW site nowhere near done by the promised end of November date.

    A tiny fraction of those who are supposed to sign up actually can.

    Mass numbers of people get signed up for Medicaid, which is nowhere near sufficiently funded.

    A fraction of the expected sign ups ever do.

    The system falls under its own weight.
     
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    Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

    Kenya? Huh?

    As for the CA board, that's the point. Obama waves his wand, and the people who actually deal with his bullshit are stuck as the bad guys because what he said is so unrealistic, all you can do is laugh.

    It was a bullshit "fix" because it's impossible. I'm guessing you know less about the health insurance industry than you do ObamaCare, which is a bit scary, too. Even more scary is that you call facts and logic "crazy", and instinctively defend the indefensible.
     
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    I guess that did come off a bit dickish.. I recant the statement. Would it be fair to say that we are both stubborn?
     
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    I guess there are a lot of scary crazies out there, good thing we have you to keep us grounded.
     
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    That would be fair to say, however I try hard to be open minded. I accept your recanted statement and wont call you Frank anymore. I do fucking love your avatar by the way, cracks me up every time I see it, so you can't be all bad.
     
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    Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

    If you follow the events leading up to his so called "fix" it was not done to appease republicans. If that had been his intention he could have made nice during the Gov shut down. The series of events that lead up to the "fix" had the Dems breaking off and threatening to vote with the GOP, Oboma threatening to veto anything and him being forced to face the music (admit his falsehoods)

    As far as not following the law, he was dancing on the chalk, he could do what he did because he really did nothing but repeat what was already law. If you had listened to his speech, he even says that it was already grandfathered into the law. What he did was "allow" these to be sold IF the insurance companies and the state insurance commissions so chose to..giving him an out when they did not.
     
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    Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

    We will see, I don't predict as much doom and gloom as you but Im not going to make any bold predictions about how super awesome everything will. The one prediction I will make is that when it all shakes down it will be better than what we had but not as good as we need.
     
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    Thank you, very kind of you to do. I also attempt to look at both sides of an issue before i make up my mind. And yes I do enjoy your POV.
     
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    Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

    Amen!

    Go Blazers
     
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    Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

    Paint a scenario where it all shakes out better.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/11/18/the-obamacare-disaster/
     
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    Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

    Here are some real ObamaCare ads trying to get young people to buy insurance.

    What the fuck is this?

    http://doyougotinsurance.com/

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    http://doyougotinsurance.com/index.php?id=11

    Got Insurance is a project of the Thanks Obamacare campaign, created by the Colorado Consumer Health Initiative and ProgressNow Colorado Education to educate everyone about the benefits of the Affordable Care Act.
    ThanksObamacare.org

    COHealthInitiative.org

    ProgressNowColorado.org

    @ThanksObamacare or #ThanksObamacare or #GotInsurance

    - See more at: http://doyougotinsurance.com/index.php?id=11#sthash.HFlbYGzg.dpuf
     
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    Re: If you like your Healthcare coverage, you can keep your Healthcare coverage! Peri

    The only people who might have to change policies are individuals who buy their own health insurance (not employer-sponsored). And only a minority of them (at most 1.5 million) won't find themselves with cheaper (subsidized by the new law) yet better insurance. (They'll just buy policies similar to their old ones.). Meanwhile, tens of millions of uninsured will become insured.

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/11/21/209370/patient-advocacy-group-says-policy.html
     
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    No, it's ridiculous to think that the government can run a healthcare system when they can't even get their website to work.

    Private companies have websites that work...all the time. Sites and datacenters are designed to have incredible availability when needed, and it's done all the time. Go check out Amazon's hosting services to see what availability they guarantee for their infrastructure.
     
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