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  1. Cippy91

    Cippy91 Habitual Line Stepper

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    Well somebody explain to me why it seems to be minorities joining these gangs or getting involved in violence. If nobody has the answer then why is everybody talking like they know, why aren't they calling it how it is?
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Read more: http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Chicago-Illinois.html#ixzz4qcnvdAel

    A 1% increase over one year vs a massive decrease over the previous 13 years.

    They have a lot of work to do as a city and local communities but I would say things are slowly getting better.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I would? I think you are probably incorrect.

    But, the point is, if you want to talk about Chicago, go ahead. I agree it isn't a good situation. Neither is Nazis. People should feel free to discuss either one or both. It's not an choose-only-one situation.

    barfo
     
  4. Cippy91

    Cippy91 Habitual Line Stepper

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    holy fuck sly so okay say it is getting better even by the slightest margin, you are still ignoring the fact it's still high and 9 died over the weekend. But hey its getting slowly better so fuck the 9 people
     
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    Sedatedfork Rip City Rhapsody

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    I think that a lot of crime is related to lack of economic opportunity. MLK's dream was not just about breaking down racial inequalities, but also bringing all people out of poverty to where the American dream was attainable for all.
     
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    Sedatedfork Rip City Rhapsody

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    I'm sure Denny knows. He knows everything.
     
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    This post isn't about nazis isn't it? I think everybody has voiced their opinions on nazis, haven't seen one person on the forum say the neo nazis are good however any time chicago comes up, you lefties roll up and make excuses about chicago dancing around the facts. 9 died last weekend but hey I am barfo let me deflect for you right quick because black people can't do any wrong just like your reply to the troops in the middle east. " herp derp look the numbers have gone down, obama did it yay!", no he didn't, people are still there, and I didn't exclude trump because he is guilty too. Wanna talk about Obamas drone killings as well as his whistleblower policy he backed out on with snowden and manning? exactly. Whatever fits your ideology
     
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    I'm not saying that at all. Actually I've gone completely out of my way to not say that. They have a lot of work to do but as I've said things are slowly getting better.

    There are no easy answers, there is no anti-crime wand that can be waved. It's going to take the police working with communities and communities working with the police.
     
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    Okay so now we are saying the reason why others kill people is for economic opportunity? hmmm seems a lot of excuses being thrown on this forum. Fucked up people kill others. Of all races. To ignore however, the substantial evidence of black on black crime in this country is ignorant and there is something there. Black lives matter doesn't talk about it. Find that interesting
     
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    Your post? No. This thread, as I understand it, is analyzing a cartoon that basically says "don't talk about Nazis, talk about Chicago". As if we could talk about only one thing.

    Huh? You mean I have to express some opinion about Chicago to satisfy you? Ok. Shootings are very bad. We should stop them if we can. Happy now?

    Both things can be true, numbers can go down and not go to zero. Do you really think there is no difference between 100,000 and 8,000?

    If you say something interesting about drone killings or whistleblower policies, I might respond, sure.

    barfo
     
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    Well the situation in chicago practically needs the military there if you have seen videos of that place at night. Cops don't wanna go anywhere near a war zone. To blame this on economic status is ridiculous. I have seen tons of poor people who don't go around killing each other while people are making excuses up for it. "Oh well they are murdering each other because they are poor, look at what the white people did". That's bullshit. If there was a place where white on white crime was crazy, I would be quick to point that shit out too because none of it is okay. However it's true people ignore the chicago situation because it quickly derails their whole ideology. Here in Gresham, there has been murders as well, mostly mexican. Why is it like that? I have no clue but these guys know what they are doing, tatted up in gang shit, they know what they are getting into. But hey it's because they are poor so it's okay. Come on
     
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    On the back is a big picture of Trump with a quote from him from his campaign saying inner cities are terrible and hes going to fix them.
     
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    I said a lot of crime. You conflated that to mean murder.
     
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    well I don't know. I think it's just whatever people fall into. There are plenty of success stories of people making it out of the hood and never getting involved in that. I think it's a combination of things and I think anybody who is willing to kill somebody over the smallest things happen to be a mental issue. Mix that with the hopelessness of being in that situation most of the time the father not in the picture, a lot of anger there. I just find it to be hypocritical in a way we highlight the 4 or 5 times a year a story goes national on a white cop killing a black dude meanwhile every day, every weekend, many more die and nobody cares because there is no race thing to promote by media and create more division.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    If everyone would just hate everyone else the same amount, this world would be such a better place!
     
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    You know you are right to a large degree. People care about something because it is in the news and visible to them. People fail to recognize that this shit happens all the time and nobody hears about all the other times it happens. For example, Brock Turner is a drop in the pan. I have spoken to people about that case who work in direct services for survivors of sexual assault and violence and also sexual offender treatment providers. The case is not actually that unusual. You don't hear about the other cases, even though they are widespread and rampant. You also never hear about Brock's case anymore. That's old news.

    Similarly, people die all the time in senseless ways. With Heather Heyer though it is quite a bit different and understandably so. We all witnessed her senseless death on video. We all heard the President incredibly seem to blame both sides for her death (I know he may not have directly said that or meant that, but in the context of what had happened and what he said, it was pretty easy to come away with that impression and the way he doubled down last week was certainly no help). We don't see video of these shootings in Chicago. There are not large demonstrations about it. When a police officer kills somebody, the state has put this person in a position of power and provided them a weapon and they have killed someone. They are also in a position of power, because of the blue line. There is distrust that these killings will be properly investigated. It is not the same as Dude #1 shooting and killing Dude #2. It's different. It's still a problem, but who do you protest when Dude #1 kills Dude #2? Who is more likely to go to prison/jail, Dude #1 or Cop #1? I'm not quite sure what you think should be done differently? You want the news to stop covering officer shootings? You want people to stop caring about officer shootings? You want people to protest against Dude #1?
     
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    No, cover it but only if it's justified, if the officer is for sure guilty and there is no way around it then yeah protest that shit, put it on the news. However, when EVERY single killing justified or not gets put on blast in the media, it starts to get weird. There are also white people that killed by cops, how come that doesn't make the news ever? it's because media is all about propaganda and misinformation. They love a good race baiting story. I hear nothing about some of these inner cities like in Chicago. Nothing. Why? shouldn't americas attention be on that and how to help it? shouldn't be all be working to fix it or find ways to help?
     
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    Oh! I would love to hear what Charlottesville was all about Sly. Please tell.
     
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    I will just throw out a guess at what the back page story is about. Everyone knows the Democrats in Chicago blame guns for the hyper violence in Chicago.
    Perhaps Jeff Seccions has decided to call the Democrats hand to end the violence in Chicago. He will look the other way while they make it illegal for Black people to own guns.
    Stop, frisk, and confiscate starts Thursday.
     
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    We can't talk about statues because 7 died in Chicago? We can't talk about Chicago because 443,000 people died last year from cigarettes. That's how it works right? One completely unrelated topic can trump another. Cigarettes for the win motha fucka!
     
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