<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Apr 11 2008, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If vince goes and rj stays i assume rj will be our sg and odom our sf thats all. I think odom is a better sf than Rj.</div> In the post where an Odom for Vince swap was mentioned, RJ was starting at SF and Odom at PF.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 11 2008, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vince Carter on the Lakers could create a commotion across all B-Ball forums. Imagine Vince fans arguing who is the better of the 2, Kobe or VC. Could the internet survive? -Petey</div> of course i cant speak for all the vince fans out there but for me.. 1. its obvious. kobe is better. kobe is vince with a killer instinct. no debating. 2. its all about winning. vince has had individual glory. its time to complete his nba journey and win. vince is near the top of the most unselfish guys in the league and i think he would be a great fit to compliment a kobe and gasol.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaxaMillion711 @ Apr 11 2008, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 11 2008, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vince Carter on the Lakers could create a commotion across all B-Ball forums. Imagine Vince fans arguing who is the better of the 2, Kobe or VC. Could the internet survive? -Petey</div> of course i cant speak for all the vince fans out there but for me.. 1. its obvious. kobe is better. kobe is vince with a <strike>killer instinct</strike> sociopathic personality. no debating. 2. its [not] all about winning. vince has had individual glory. its time to complete his nba journey and win. vince is near the top of the most unselfish guys in the league and i think he would be a great fit to compliment a <strike>kobe and gasol</strike> Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Brandon Roy, Greg Oden, Steve Nash, or Shaquille O'Neal. </div> A few slight modifications that reflect my own viewpoint as a Vince fan. The only development I can imagine that would make me stop following Vince's career before he retires is for him to become a teammate of Kobe "Rapist" Bryant, one of the few guys in the league who can make Jason Kidd seem personally virtuous by comparison. I'll follow Vince to a perrennial cellar dweller. I'll follow him to the Knicks, even (forgive me, Lord.) But please, Thorn, don't ever make him teammates with the most repugnant personality in professional sports.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The only development I can imagine that would make me stop following Vince's career before he retires is for him to become a teammate of Kobe "Rapist" Bryant, one of the few guys in the league who can make Jason Kidd seem personally virtuous by comparison. I'll follow Vince to a perrennial cellar dweller. I'll follow him to the Knicks, even (forgive me, Lord.) But please, Thorn, don't ever make him teammates with the most repugnant personality in professional sports.</div> oh i hear you loud and clear. i was merely responding to the idea of vince on the lakers. i think he would be a better fit on portland. perfect fit, actually. and utah would also be pretty dead on. i do hate kobe too but i guess not as much as you. i think hes an arrogant prick who turns off a lot of basketball fans by the way he conducts himself. i was being optimistic that maybe vince could bring out the good in kobe? haha i dunno man...just daydreaming I guess
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Apr 11 2008, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 11 2008, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Apr 11 2008, 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 11 2008, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaxaMillion711 @ Apr 11 2008, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Derek Fisher Kobe Bryant Vince Carter Pau Gasol Andrew Bynum I bet they could be the 8 seed maybe</div> So losing Odom who is not really a great or consistent SF in favor of Vince Carter would make the Lakers worse? I don't think so. </div> Point your avatar at yourself for missing the obvious sarcasm. </div> haha...should've read that more carefully... Dunce for me. </div> Umm IMO Odom> RJ </div> When you can tell me where RJ is in the proposed lineup of Fisher Kobe Bryant Vince Carter Pau Gasol Andrew Bynum I'll understand the point of your post </div> If vince goes and rj stays i assume rj will be our sg and odom our sf thats all. I think odom is a better sf than Rj. </div> Claud you need to read the whole post man. I mention us using draft picks and expirings to Memphis for Mike Miller. Making Miller our starting SG, RJ our SF, and Odom our PF... Why...because we'd still be competitive...maybe even good while having contracts expiring for a run at Lebron.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Apr 11 2008, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How about tradin' the Williamses for Aldridge?</div> Why in the hell would Portland do that?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Apr 11 2008, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How about tradin' the Williamses for Aldridge?</div> How about tradin' Devin Harris for Chris Paul
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 11 2008, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Apr 11 2008, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How about tradin' the Williamses for Aldridge?</div> Why in the hell would Portland do that? </div> They want a young PG in their franchise,i think MW can fill that up.And add SW in the trade,bad idea?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Apr 11 2008, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 11 2008, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Apr 11 2008, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How about tradin' the Williamses for Aldridge?</div> Why in the hell would Portland do that? </div> They want a young PG in their franchise,i think MW can fill that up.And add SW in the trade,bad idea? </div> The Blazers want a stud PG. They already have young PGs in Sergio on the roster and Playboy Pete over in Finland. Marcus isn't close to a significant upgrade alone, and then you want the Blazers to make the humongous downgrade from Aldridge to Sean Williams. Not even if the Nets took back the huge contracts of LaFrentz and Miles.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Apr 11 2008, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 11 2008, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Apr 11 2008, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How about tradin' the Williamses for Aldridge?</div> Why in the hell would Portland do that? </div> They want a young PG in their franchise,i think MW can fill that up.And add SW in the trade,bad idea? </div> Funny, I was under the assumption the Blazers wanted to get out of the lottery.
inquire with golden state about strow swift maybe we can sign and trade swift and hassel for mikeal pietrus???
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Apr 11 2008, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 11 2008, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Apr 11 2008, 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 11 2008, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaxaMillion711 @ Apr 11 2008, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Derek Fisher Kobe Bryant Vince Carter Pau Gasol Andrew Bynum I bet they could be the 8 seed maybe</div> So losing Odom who is not really a great or consistent SF in favor of Vince Carter would make the Lakers worse? I don't think so. </div> Point your avatar at yourself for missing the obvious sarcasm. </div> haha...should've read that more carefully... Dunce for me. </div> Umm IMO Odom> RJ </div> When you can tell me where RJ is in the proposed lineup of Fisher Kobe Bryant Vince Carter Pau Gasol Andrew Bynum I'll understand the point of your post </div> If vince goes and rj stays i assume rj will be our sg and odom our sf thats all. I think odom is a better sf than Rj. </div> Claud you need to read the whole post man. I mention us using draft picks and expirings to Memphis for Mike Miller. Making Miller our starting SG, RJ our SF, and Odom our PF... Why...because we'd still be competitive...maybe even good while having contracts expiring for a run at Lebron. </div> Sorry Joey next time i will. and i do like your idea BTW.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Apr 11 2008, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaxaMillion711 @ Apr 11 2008, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 11 2008, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vince Carter on the Lakers could create a commotion across all B-Ball forums. Imagine Vince fans arguing who is the better of the 2, Kobe or VC. Could the internet survive? -Petey</div> of course i cant speak for all the vince fans out there but for me.. 1. its obvious. kobe is better. kobe is vince with a <strike>killer instinct</strike> sociopathic personality. no debating. 2. its [not] all about winning. vince has had individual glory. its time to complete his nba journey and win. vince is near the top of the most unselfish guys in the league and i think he would be a great fit to compliment a <strike>kobe and gasol</strike> Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Brandon Roy, Greg Oden, Steve Nash, or Shaquille O'Neal. </div> A few slight modifications that reflect my own viewpoint as a Vince fan. The only development I can imagine that would make me stop following Vince's career before he retires is for him to become a teammate of Kobe "Rapist" Bryant, one of the few guys in the league who can make Jason Kidd seem personally virtuous by comparison. I'll follow Vince to a perrennial cellar dweller. I'll follow him to the Knicks, even (forgive me, Lord.) But please, Thorn, don't ever make him teammates with the most repugnant personality in professional sports. </div> Oh please stop. Rapist???? Kobe may not be a stand up NBA player but that whole rapist situation was Shullbit to the fullest. You can talk about Kobe all you want personally but what he does and brings to court puts him in conversation of not only best in the game but ever. Can u say the same about VC? Don't get it twisted. Any way to stay on the subject. If I was the GM the first thing that would take my focus would be Vince Carter. I know the VC fans are going scream injuries and cry because I feel he needs to be relocated. The thing is his contract is horrible and with a young team as the Nets they need a leader and a vet who can lead team. It's not a knock on the man but this situation is not the right one for him or the nets. Look at KG I remember saying last yr when KG was traded he will turn Boston to a contender and will be in the MVP race. KG has brought an intensity and a whole new attitude to his team. Second I would make Krstic a fair offer but I would not break the bank on another 7 footer who can hit outside shots, can't rebound well and is bullied in the paint by players 6-9. In all I feel Krstic would be a great player to come off the bench which still might be in his future if he doesn't improve. to be continue have to sleep
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Apr 12 2008, 07:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Apr 11 2008, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaxaMillion711 @ Apr 11 2008, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 11 2008, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vince Carter on the Lakers could create a commotion across all B-Ball forums. Imagine Vince fans arguing who is the better of the 2, Kobe or VC. Could the internet survive? -Petey</div> of course i cant speak for all the vince fans out there but for me.. 1. its obvious. kobe is better. kobe is vince with a <strike>killer instinct</strike> sociopathic personality. no debating. 2. its [not] all about winning. vince has had individual glory. its time to complete his nba journey and win. vince is near the top of the most unselfish guys in the league and i think he would be a great fit to compliment a <strike>kobe and gasol</strike> Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Brandon Roy, Greg Oden, Steve Nash, or Shaquille O'Neal. </div> A few slight modifications that reflect my own viewpoint as a Vince fan. The only development I can imagine that would make me stop following Vince's career before he retires is for him to become a teammate of Kobe "Rapist" Bryant, one of the few guys in the league who can make Jason Kidd seem personally virtuous by comparison. I'll follow Vince to a perrennial cellar dweller. I'll follow him to the Knicks, even (forgive me, Lord.) But please, Thorn, don't ever make him teammates with the most repugnant personality in professional sports. </div> Oh please stop. Rapist???? Kobe may not be a stand up NBA player but that whole rapist situation was Shullbit to the fullest. You can talk about Kobe all you want personally but what he does and brings to court puts him in conversation of not only best in the game but ever. Can u say the same about VC? Don't get it twisted. Any way to stay on the subject. If I was the GM the first thing that would take my focus would be Vince Carter. I know the VC fans are going scream injuries and cry because I feel he needs to be relocated. The thing is his contract is horrible and with a young team as the Nets they need a leader and a vet who can lead team. It's not a knock on the man but this situation is not the right one for him or the nets. Look at KG I remember saying last yr when KG was traded he will turn Boston to a contender and will be in the MVP race. KG has brought an intensity and a whole new attitude to his team. Second I would make Krstic a fair offer but I would not break the bank on another 7 footer who can hit outside shots, can't rebound well and is bullied in the paint by players 6-9. In all I feel Krstic would be a great player to come off the bench which still might be in his future if he doesn't improve. to be continue have to sleep </div> do you really think getting rid of VC is going to help this team in any way? who are they going to go to play after to play to get points? We all know how that worked out this year. The Nets suck without Vince Carter we know it, the Nets know it, and everyone the Nets play knows it. I can understand if were sitting here in the same position next year after going a full year with this team. Because then Frank will be fired and VC traded away. But the value this team can get this year for VC and next year for VC will not be much different. If he's traded now this team is basically guarunteeing itself a lottery pick.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaxaMillion711 @ Apr 12 2008, 06:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The only development I can imagine that would make me stop following Vince's career before he retires is for him to become a teammate of Kobe "Rapist" Bryant, one of the few guys in the league who can make Jason Kidd seem personally virtuous by comparison. I'll follow Vince to a perrennial cellar dweller. I'll follow him to the Knicks, even (forgive me, Lord.) But please, Thorn, don't ever make him teammates with the most repugnant personality in professional sports.</div> oh i hear you loud and clear. i was merely responding to the idea of vince on the lakers. i think he would be a better fit on portland. perfect fit, actually. and utah would also be pretty dead on. i do hate kobe too but i guess not as much as you. i think hes an arrogant prick who turns off a lot of basketball fans by the way he conducts himself. i was being optimistic that maybe vince could bring out the good in kobe? haha i dunno man...just daydreaming I guess </div> 1. PORTLAND. Perfect fit. trade Lafretnz, Jack, Travis outlaw for Vince+Mwill (DREAM) 2. BUCKS. okay fit. (dunno how)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 04:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>For shits and giggles...only if the Lakers don't win. Trade Vince Carter to the Lakers for Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza Trade for Mike Miller...not sure what the moving pieces would be...probably including Dallas pick and our 2009 first rounder. Let Nenad go or S&T him. Draft best available SG...imo Budinger. PG: Devon Harris, Marcus Williams SG: Mike Miller, Chase Budinger SF: Richard Jefferson, Trevor Ariza PF: Lamar Odom, Sean Williams C: Josh Boone, Desanga Diop The great part being that Odom, RJ and Mike Miller would all have there contracts expire given us over 30 million in cap space for Lebron and possibly Wade... Imagine a 2011 team featuring PG: Devin Harris, Marcus Williams SG: Dwayne Wade, Chase Budinger SF: Lebron James, Trevor Ariza PF: Sean Williams, FA signing/2010 draft pick C: Josh Boone, Desanga Diop</div> Dwayne and Lebron... Noway in hell we will be able to land both of them. Their salaries will almost bankrupt us... Although your short term idea is not really possible, I support the direction.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Apr 12 2008, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Apr 11 2008, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaxaMillion711 @ Apr 11 2008, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 11 2008, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vince Carter on the Lakers could create a commotion across all B-Ball forums. Imagine Vince fans arguing who is the better of the 2, Kobe or VC. Could the internet survive? -Petey</div> of course i cant speak for all the vince fans out there but for me.. 1. its obvious. kobe is better. kobe is vince with a <strike>killer instinct</strike> sociopathic personality. no debating. 2. its [not] all about winning. vince has had individual glory. its time to complete his nba journey and win. vince is near the top of the most unselfish guys in the league and i think he would be a great fit to compliment a <strike>kobe and gasol</strike> Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Brandon Roy, Greg Oden, Steve Nash, or Shaquille O'Neal. </div> A few slight modifications that reflect my own viewpoint as a Vince fan. The only development I can imagine that would make me stop following Vince's career before he retires is for him to become a teammate of Kobe "Rapist" Bryant, one of the few guys in the league who can make Jason Kidd seem personally virtuous by comparison. I'll follow Vince to a perrennial cellar dweller. I'll follow him to the Knicks, even (forgive me, Lord.) But please, Thorn, don't ever make him teammates with the most repugnant personality in professional sports. </div> Oh please stop. Rapist““ Kobe may not be a stand up NBA player but that whole rapist situation was Shullbit to the fullest. You can talk about Kobe all you want personally but what he does and brings to court puts him in conversation of not only best in the game but ever. Can u say the same about VC? Don't get it twisted. Any way to stay on the subject. If I was the GM the first thing that would take my focus would be Vince Carter. I know the VC fans are going scream injuries and cry because I feel he needs to be relocated. The thing is his contract is horrible and with a young team as the Nets they need a leader and a vet who can lead team. It's not a knock on the man but this situation is not the right one for him or the nets. Look at KG I remember saying last yr when KG was traded he will turn Boston to a contender and will be in the MVP race. KG has brought an intensity and a whole new attitude to his team. Second I would make Krstic a fair offer but I would not break the bank on another 7 footer who can hit outside shots, can't rebound well and is bullied in the paint by players 6-9. In all I feel Krstic would be a great player to come off the bench which still might be in his future if he doesn't improve. to be continue have to sleep </div> Im a Carter fan and I'm not crying and screaming injury. I know when Carter is playing without passion and when he is and im not ready to defend him. Secondly, Carter leaving the nets in the short term wont happen, the team will be worst off and they wont get much value from a trade. In the long term, I see Carter getting moved for some young players with potential who are cap friendly.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Apr 12 2008, 06:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh please stop. Rapist???? Kobe may not be a stand up NBA player but that whole rapist situation was Shullbit to the fullest.</div> I have no interest in detailing (yet again) the many pieces of evidence -- from transcripts of his "interview" with police to his watered down, public "apology"/confession after charges were dropped -- that point to Bryant's guilt. Anyone acquainted with the facts, as reported by multiple reputable news sources, and possessing reasonable sohpistication and objectivity in judging human nature and behavior knows the score. So I will continue to call a spade a spade -- or a rapist a rapist -- any time I choose. He can always sue me for libel. But somehow I don't think he will. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You can talk about Kobe all you want personally but what he does and brings to court puts him in conversation of not only best in the game but ever. Can u say the same about VC?</div> I was expressing my personal revulsion, as a Vince fan first and foremost, at the prospect (put forward by others) of Carter ending up teammates with Bryant on the Lakers. I would find it impossible to continue to follow Vince's career if it meant having to root for a team with Bryant. I was in no way comparing their basketball accomplishments, where Bryant is clearly superior. On that subject, however, I will say that I consider Vince the most athletically gifted player I've ever seen. Never has a player caused me so many times to "ooh" and "ahh" in disbelief or stunned awe, not even Jordan. So, for me, Vince has been the best entertainment value in the league since he entered it, and that's quite enough reward for my investment of time watching him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 04:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>For shits and giggles...only if the Lakers don't win. Trade Vince Carter to the Lakers for Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza Trade for Mike Miller...not sure what the moving pieces would be...probably including Dallas pick and our 2009 first rounder. Let Nenad go or S&T him. Draft best available SG...imo Budinger. PG: Devon Harris, Marcus Williams SG: Mike Miller, Chase Budinger SF: Richard Jefferson, Trevor Ariza PF: Lamar Odom, Sean Williams C: Josh Boone, Desanga Diop The great part being that Odom, RJ and Mike Miller would all have there contracts expire given us over 30 million in cap space for Lebron and possibly Wade... Imagine a 2011 team featuring PG: Devin Harris, Marcus Williams SG: Dwayne Wade, Chase Budinger SF: Lebron James, Trevor Ariza PF: Sean Williams, FA signing/2010 draft pick C: Josh Boone, Desanga Diop</div> I'd hit that.
