If you're not on the L-Train, what are you waiting for?

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    Oh, but that's where you're wrong.
     
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    Um, it's not a single statistic, it represents a huge facet of the offensive half of the game. It feeds into points per possession (or Offensive efficiency, if you will) which has a very strong correlation to win% and playoff success. Rebounding is also important. Turnovers are another. But those were discussed, as not changing much at all.
     
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    Maybe. I guess LA isn't the MVP of even the Blazers now.

    See you on the Bulls forum Denny where I will trash Taj Gibson and every Bull with a single stat that is completely out of context and not at all representative of reality. Win/Win.
     
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    This is a good point. It has been argued several times in this thread. It bears repeating. And Brain will ignore it.
     
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    LaMarcus is having the best season I've seen him play since he became a Blazer. Now the thread asks a question...I'm not waiting, I'm on the L-Train and for those who aren't, you're missing one hell of a basketball season in Portland! LaMarcus had 3 steals tonight against the Mavs and his double double...30-12 came with sitting most of the 4th qtr. He's dominating. Check Dirks stats for the night or Duncan's for the night before...LaMarcus smoked them both. Deal with it!
     
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    I think LMA goes to 11!

    [video=youtube;4xgx4k83zzc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xgx4k83zzc[/video]
     
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    lmao. I finally actually watched that clip of "These go to eleven". That's fantastic.
     
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    Stop bagging on LA! Everyone knows he goes to 12.4.
     
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    I love Spinal Tap but my favorite part is the Stonehenge prop they used on stage.
     
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    It's not a "single stat", it's a huge portion of the offense, and the only one of rebounding/turnovers/shooting that I didn't cover as a positive for LMA.

    Do you ever read stuff from the Association for Basketball Research? Basketball Journal? Or any of the Sloan Conference papers? There was a paper called "Basketball on Paper" that a scout who got his PhD wrote up that talked about statistical analysis of reams of historical data to find correlations among successful teams. (Historical, not predictive)

    I know you hate taking what I say seriously, but seriously, this is one of the reasons why I harp on eFG%, TO's and rebounding, written by a guy who was a player, scout, coach and, most importantly, not a dude on a message board.
     
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    uh...Blazer Fanatic is not a dude
     
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    pretty sure he's referring to himself
     
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    FTFY... Not that he doesn't know way more than us, but in a club of champions, he's an outsider, a Monday-morning quarterback. A highly qualified message board guy.
     
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    He's someone analyzing what successful teams HAVE done. DO you have to win a title to do that?
     
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    No and that's why the message board guy thing is bogus. We have access to the same stats and some of us have way too much time on our hands.

    It's like someone insisting they know more than us because he coached girls basketball and we don't.
     
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    Typically you need an MVP-level player to win a title. LMA is as close to an MVP-level player that the Blazers have had since Clyde Drexler.

    In terms of PER, LMA is right on par with Dirk Nowitzki surrounded by 3-point shooters this season during Dallas' championship season. The year Dallas lost to Miami, Dirk had a PER far above his norm.
     
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    It was probably a guy with a PhD who read all the journals and papers and studied the stats from previous players that told Mugsy Bogues he was too short to play basketball.
     
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    I agree. And if you look at the 4 criteria brian posted from the guy, we're top 10 in FG%, 4th in TOV%, 2nd in ORB% and we're 13th in FTA per FGA, slightly below league average, but in the top half of the league, which helps the successful team aspect. I just don't think you need to have won a title to be able to analyze past teams and see what they did well.
    I think brian's "not a dude on a message board" line was more saying hey, you don't have to just take it from me looking at stuff, referring to himself as the "some dude on a message board"
     
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