OT "I'm Dealing With A Few Transgender Issues"

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  1. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Isn't any athlete dominating in any sport fundamentally selfish? Your winning doesn't cure cancer, feed the poor, or really, do a damn bit of good for anyone but yourself.

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  2. Orion Bailey

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    lmao. You are simply incapable of saying you were wrong arent you?
    Its just a tirade to you because you cant admit you were overly judgmental.

    lol.
    Whatever you say… lol.
     
  3. Hoopguru

    Hoopguru Well-Known Member

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    Does that include politicians that will say and do anything to get elected?
    Or Dame Lillard when he said he wants to be the best blazer ever? He gives back to the community and less fortunate as do many competitors.
     
  4. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Depends. Even a lying politician can do a lot of good after getting elected, if s/he chooses to do so.

    That's a good point. On the other hand, fans could donate their money to charitable causes more efficiently if they just donated directly instead of letting Dame keep a big percentage of their donations.

    barfo
     
  5. Minstrel

    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    No, I explained why (including barfo's example) athletics have never been about "fairness." You just ignored it to whine about "being judgmental." And whether you want to label it judgementalism or not, there's always been discomfort with "new interactions" for society, which I mentioned--interracial marriages, gay/straight locker rooms, etc. None of those needed to overhaul marriage or locker rooms, they needed generations that weren't frightened/uncomfortable with concepts they weren't comfortable to take over.

    Nothing you've said remotely "proved me wrong."
     
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    The Pirate throwing a wide net.
     
  7. Orion Bailey

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    Bullshit. We addressed fairness several times.
    Your post was just being an overly judgmental ass. You keep dismissing we addressed the fairness.

    but i could just go your route…


    Your snarky posts deserve nothing more than a verbal bitchslapping you consider a tirade.
    Be better. If you don't care for the response then elevate your post. Be better….

    LMFAO!!!!

    Everyone in the room sees what's wrong with your condescension here….
    But you.
    I dont need to prove common sense regarding respectful communication skills.
    Don't talk to me about communication issues when you have them yourself…as clearly evidence in this conflict.

    i cant control your condescension when two people are discussing something and you want to enter.
    Thats on you.
    You keep pointing two things not addressed when they were.
    That's on you.
    Have better control and impartial reading skills aNd you wont get the verbal lashing you are…

    what you are wrong about is doubling down on your “better than thou” post when you shouldn't have.
    You are better than this.

    Be better. Admit you didn't need to be snarky and could have asked for clarity in what was being said.
    Thsts what you are wrong about. Straight up. But you will do everything you can to bring up every point but address that, of which was the initial issue. Not that you said our opinion is wrong. Its how you said it.

    be better man. Be better. That would start with saying yeah i didn't have to be snarky. I could have asked for clarification.

    But you know. Some people have to maintain that “ im never wrong” image…

    so by all means. Continue of wise one and lets us ignant fokes live in our own stupoditsy!!!
     
  8. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Everyday and every thread with this dude…..sigh.
     
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  9. Orion Bailey

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    yep. Fucking ignore me. Tired of the double standards from some of you.
    Innitiate condescension and then when someone returns fire, claim they are having a fit.
    Thats fucking insanity!!!
    Some of you need to straight up look in the mirror. You just cant handle the brutal fucking truth!

    but some of you will stick up for each other even when straight up being wrong. Its a fucking cult aRound here at times.
    Its incredible how many intelligent people here resort to such childish behavior patterns like passive aggressive snark, but claim its the other persons fault when they return fire.
    WaKe the fuck up and see it from the other side for once…

    Just fucking once…..
     
  10. Minstrel

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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    I'm sorry, I didn't understand a word of this.
     
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    Now you know how the recipients of your snark and condescension feel.

    Its like huh? Wtf is his problem? Were just discussing ideas and opinions here.

    But know it alls cant see any other viewpoint than their own, so i don't expect you to understand any of it.
    Just carry on Minstrel. Thanks for derailing a respectable conversation i’m sure you will blame that on me too because you live in a mirrorless house….
     
  12. Chris Craig

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    I think he has a point OB

    If we are going to talk about trans men and women, we have to look at the whole picture.

    We have the argument of fairness. Ok. A trans woman ( a person born a man who has transitioned to being woman) competing against women. Is it fair? We can argue that they have advantage because they are naturally stronger. It's a good argument.

    Are sports fair? There are always better and lesser athletes. Let's take track and field for instance. In a race, there will always be stronger women that beat out the weaker ones. You see runners get lapped, sometimes multiple times in the same race. Is that fair?

    Look at the WNBA. There are stars then there are the rest. Is it fair that not every player can be a star? No. Sports is competition. Its not suppose to be fair.

    But, those are all women on those teams or in those races so that is what makes it inherently fair right? No. It doesn't really.

    We just think that because that is what we are used to seeing and knowing. What we are programmed to understand.

    Now we have trans people that are daring to be who they are. Its different. It's unfamiliar to us. There have been trans people for awhile, but it hasn't been mainstream. Many don't know what to think of it. So feeling does come into it.

    If you go back to the first post which is an article about trans people in bathrooms. The ladies in the bathroom were freaking out because it didn't feel right to them that a trans woman was in the ladies bathroom/lockeroom.

    You yeah we can argue about fairness, but the argument about what people feel on the matter is just as equally significant in the conversation.

    We can get angry about that and take it the wrong way or we talk openly about it.
     
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    but that was the point of MY original post with the link about how everyone was feeling aBout it.
    Again. My point was not what he said, but rather how he said it and belitttles Hoops and my discussion.

    my point of frustration has nothing to do with his opinion that mine is not good. Its how he expressed it. When people tell you you have conversation issues and then those people start out with snark and condescension, its pretty frustrating…

    telling me my post should be better or only deserving of snark, was over the too arrogance. And deserved the backlash I gave it.
     
  14. Chris Craig

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    I'll go back and read it again, but I didn't see snark or condenscension. What I saw, he was just saying both fairness and feelings play a part.

    Edit: Ok, he said it's not an issue of fairness, but of feelings.

    I took it as the issue of fairness stems from the feelings surrounding it.

    Which I think is a fair assessment.
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Agree to disagree.
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    This post could be considered "snarky." But it was really just sarcastically making a few points. It hardly qualifies as insulting or thread-derailing (and, for the record, it wasn't even quoting anyone or tagging anyone--so nobody was "forced" to respond to it). I was never condescending--all the insults ("judgemental ass") came from @Orion Bailey, who apparently decided that was "giving me a taste of my own medicine." The reality is, I don't insult other people, I make my points--sometimes I do it with "formal" writing, other times with informal, joking or sarcastic writing. None of that is against the rules or spirit of this forum. No one is forced to discuss things with me.
     
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    it was more of your response to my calling that snark. Be better?

    come on man.

    Also. Tell me to agree to disagree but then post this…

    Wtfever…
     
  18. Orion Bailey

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    I don't think you went back far enough.
    Its not worth the time anyhow.

    Just another instance of someone innitially ridiculing other peoples’ thoughts in a discussion as worthy of nothing more than snark and if we want a different reaction, be better…
    Yeah as evidenced, that is not a positive way to communicate….

    The frustration comes from the denial of this, and doubling down on such behavior as being appropriate.

    And then the same people allow and approve of that behavior but then comment on my returning fire as me being the problem, Like hcp’s comment.
    The favoritism and double standards are clearly evident to those who actually step out of the echo chamber basement aNd look at it impartially.
     
  19. Phatguysrule

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    Not if it's fair competition... A biological man dominating biological women is not competition.
     
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    You sure dont see many trans men competing against men. I wonder why?
     
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