OT "I'm Dealing With A Few Transgender Issues"

But if transgender women are men then where do they fit in? Why don't they have this same conversation if transgender men are actually women?
Now that was my point.

 

Society needs to pick one side and stick with it.

You can either:

1. Acknowledge the trans-person's desired gender as their gender.
2. Acknowledge the trans-person's birth gender as their gender
3. Classify trans persons into their own separate category.

 

Ha Ha. I want to agree so much but Good Luck with THAT! Even the Libs would meltdown. Not to mention what the conservatives would do if they chose door #1.

 

Oh boy. I actually discussed "Doors" on a trans thread?

 

Disagree. I don't think the best course of action for the health of a sports league should dictate how society treats a person.

These are seperate issues.

 

So you don't see trans-women as women then.

 

I don't think trans women are biologically the same as naturally born women.

As such they will have different advantages and disadvantages.

They will have physical advantages which make women's sports less competitive, hence less entertaining, hence less viable.

This is not good for women's sports, hence should not be required.

If a given sport bans trans women from competing I believe trans women should be able to compete at the highest level if they can compete, as long as they meet all other requirements (PED testing, etc).

 

I don't think this is the point though.

Edit - just to clarify, I think a bunch of trans women who can dunk like LeBron would absolutely make women's hoops more entertaining, but that's not really the point.

 

I'm not sure what you mean.

 

Sorry, I added a clarification but it was too late. You mentioned entertainment and viability and I think that's the wrong way to approach it because if you added a bunch of trans women who can dunk like LeBron to women's hoops, it would make it more entertaining, wouldn't it? But that's not really the point.

 

It's not as entertaining for the women playing, hence you would likely see fewer women playing.

I would not be at all interested in watching trans women dunk all over women in women's basketball. I actually don't think anybody would be very impressed by that. Which is kind of the point... Why watch that when you can go watch the NBA? If that's what you're looking for...

However, if that's what the WNBA thinks will be best for their league, they should allow it. But they should not be forced one way or the other.

I think each sport/league should be able to make their own decision on this one.

 

But maybe some people would find it more entertaining. I don't know. The thing is, to me women's sports is about equity. Giving women a chance to pursue athletics, and then be able to use those athletics to pursue scholarships and maybe a pro career. So any time we are talking about women's sports, we need to look at it through the lens of what is the most equitable. I don't think the most important factors are entertainment or profitability, because women's leagues will probably never be as entertaining or profitable as men's leagues. This subject matters very much to me though, because I have a daughter and she might one day want to play sports. Or maybe she won't. Totally up to her. But I want her to have the option. So I have a vested interest when people are talking about the future of women's sports in this country.

 

I think it's about making it the most competitive for women. That's why each sport should be able to choose.

I also have 3 daughters. They do like playing against boys. But when they compete in a given division they expect the competition to meet the spirit of the rule. When they are at a school tournament they expect to compete against school teams rather than club teams. When they compete against girls, they expect to compete against natural girls, their age.

As does every woman competitor or coach I've spoken with.

I think they should be able to make that choice.

 

Trans women are women. Trans men are men

 

Say that fast three times.

 

Until they decide they don't want to be seems to be the case. This dude that swims. Are you saying he is a woman or a transgender man? Because he was born a man. He is now saying he is a woman. Is he a trans Man or a trans Woman?
Now if you say he is a trans MAN then he has no place swimming with women. If you are saying he is a trans WOMAN then what do we say about what he was actually born as? Did all that just disappear? Because he was definitely born a man.

Lets go one step further. How about the lady who came in second place in that race? Is she a woman? Because she definitely is not a man? I'll bet she feels a bit betrayed at this point by all the women out there praising this dude that is now a woman and is beating other women in races. This situation is wrong and even the most fervent supporters or LBGT rights are seeing it.

 

To me if it didnt make a difference you would have Trans men competing against men more. Im not sure that the case though. Maybe each sport should decide what they view is right and fair?

 

Oh dude I fear for you. You’re gonna catch some heat.

 

I’m pretty consistent in my stance on most societal issues and obv lean left if you’ve been in here long enough you know this. Im open to learning more about this but this is one area that makes no sense to me. This swimmer. To go from average to dominating is just proof how unfair this is to the women who have competed their whole lives to lose to a swimmer who is clearly at an unfair advantage. I don’t think physical male to female people should be competing ever against women.

 

The swimmer in question is a transgender woman.

Funny. Well, not funny. Straight cis men proclaiming themselves, at great length, experts on a subject they know nothing about.