OT "I'm Dealing With A Few Transgender Issues"

Just so we're all on the same page here. How much of this changes with gender reassignment?

 

What’s even more annoying and frustrating is making it seem like the only upset people are men. Plenty of women don’t like this or think it’s fair (because it isn’t).

 

She is literally shattering records. Martina Navratilova I think knows better than anyone in here as a dominant female athlete, and she says at minimum there should be an asterisk next to her name. But god forbid some of us males say the same thing.

 

So if you believe this to be true are you a misogynist piece of shit?

 

Exactly. Most of the people I've personally heard complain about it are women athletes and coaches.

I'm not really complaining about it so much as just sharing ideas and giving one suggestion on how to handle it.

 

This sure feels verrrrrry PC of you. Navratilova’s opinion DOES carry more weight. And I would love - love — a poll of women in sports to see how happy they are with this situation. Because if it was in their sport I’m sure they’d be thrilled. And records get broken but not usually by someone who in a year goes from average to dominant. Reminds me of MLB steroid era. “Wow this guy has 52 home runs!”

 

Who claimed to be an expert in here?

You know what I like to do before I share my opinion on things, I like to first state that I'm a straight cis man (just so everyone is aware that my opinion should carry more weight), and then I like to declare that I'm an expert on whatever topic I'm speaking about. I mean, obviously I'm an expert because I'm a straight cis man!

Shit I forgot to mention I’m white! I’m a straight white cis man! So my opinion clearly has the trifecta of expertness!

 

Why? Did the Olympic athlete make money from the olympics? Are they still an amateur? Tons of Olympic athletes are college students.

 

Is it a problem for the other swimmers, their families, coaches? Yes. If it’s not a big deal, then why don’t we just let this one swimmer know and tell her she can’t compete vs other women? I mean it’s not a big deal.

 

It’s a really bad comparison. The pros, by the very definition, means professional. Profession means money. Income. Most Olympic athletes don’t make a dime. That college scholarship is their meal ticket towards a career after athletics. They’re not all Michael Phelps. They need that college education and sports give them that. And again, taking this back to what is equitable. Why do womens sports exist in the first place? I’m curious what your thoughts, as a fellow straight white cis man, are?

 

I was never good enough to compete in college athletics. Hell, I was never really good enough to compete in high school either. I would not have earned a spot on a mens team because I’m not good enough to earn a spot.

If I transitioned and now I’m good enough to make a team, is that fair? Is it in the spirit of why womens sports exist in the first place? This isn’t a rhetorical question.

 

I’m not sure I’m following. The goal of sports is to win. These women train and practice for years and then poof she shows up and they lose to someone who was a man and now is not but has the body and frame of a man. It’s science it’s not me hating women. Why don’t we let our G league guys go play in the WNBA?

 

Ok I’m going to put it to you in another way.

I am sure you understand why affirmative action exists. I’m also sure you agree with why it exists. It’s about equity. If a white person were able to self identify as black, should they be entitled to affirmative action? If they were able to have an operation that in essence made them black, would they give up all the privilege that they were entitled to from birth?

So going back to trans women in womens sports, have they by transitioning given up the physical privilege that they possessed from birth? Womens sports exist to give women a chance to compete and earn scholarships despite (in most cases) not being able to compete with men because they simply lack the physical attributes (depending on the sport). Should a trans woman need that equity to be able to compete?

Maybe I’m not doing a good job of explaining what’s in my head. I think trans people need equity in a lot of ways, but I'm not sure sports is one of them.