I'm So SICK & TIRED of Neil Olshey

I don't understand; how could they have had both of Collins and Mitchell?

 

Maybe you are right. Apparently Denver wanted to move back because they targeted OG Anunoby and figured he would have been available with the Jazz pick at 24 but Toronto took him one pick earlier so they were forced to take Lydon. They would have had a better chance to land OG at 17 of course. I am not sure how high they were on Lyles though, he has actually been good for them.

I’m not sure if anyone bar Sacramento would have traded back from top 12 but they could have got Mitchell at 10 and then Collins at 14 for instance. Thing is Monk was a better and a more stable prospect than Mitchell at the time. Nobody really grabbed their head at any team not picking Mitchell before 13. It was a toss between him and Kennard at 12 and Detroit were justified to go after Kennard. It’s only after a year of him exceeding all expectations at Utah that people think he was the obvious choice.

Back then you would have literally laughed at Donovan Mitchell plus a no. 26 pick (as that what you would have got for all our picks combined, no. 10 from Sacramento and a 26 from Cleveland) plus some bad contract like Crabbe which we would have had to throw into the deal to make it work financially. Not anymore now because Mitchell would have properly replaced George as the face of that franchise (just like Oladipo has).

Of course if you had offered Indiana CJ that’s a different conversation. It’s also what we should have done, in a hindsight, and gone for Mitchell in the draft. Lillard, Mitchell and George is better than Lillard, CJ and George (if you assume they would have taken the deal you proposed).

 

Take one at 10 by combining no. 15 and no. 20 like we did and the other at wherever they land by combining no. 17 they had and no. 26 we would have given them. I think.

 

Actually Mitchell was shooting up the draft boards the month prior to the draft. I was the Kings in a mock off season on a different site and I drafted Mitchell at #10 before the actual draft. Besides a lot of people were laughing at Indy for only getting Oladipo and Sabonis.

If I'm trading my franchise player, I'm not doing so for an okay to decent player (which Oladipo was) and a big with some potential but not a game changer. I'm going full rebuild with draft picks. The problem with the way they did it, especially since Oladipo had a breakout season is that now they are in the same position a lot of other teams are in (including Portland) where it would take a super good draft pick outside of the lottery, a miracle trade, or a huge free agent signing(s) to compete but they aren't bad enough to rebuild either. Maybe it doesn't matter because Mitchell might have led them to a similar record as Oladipo did but at least in that situation they would have had a guy 4 years younger and on his rookie deal. They said the Blazers offered all 3 draft picks and anyone on the roster besides Dame, CJ, and Nurk. The package could have been the picks, Davis, and Harkless or the picks Davis, Aminu, and Napier/Vonleh. They wouldn't have had to take on a bad contract necessarily.

We also don't know how much Kevin Pritchard being the GM played into it either. He may not have traded with us no matter what the offer was.

 

The link to the podcast was with the quote. They were dumbfounded by Neil's quote at the exit interviews. (I believe that is where he said that.)

 

They weren’t willing to go for a full rebuild because they had a ton of cap space and figured they could build a fun team around it. They did exactly that.

You are not going to get a player of George’s caliber if you approach the team and tell them you will give them anybody bar everyone half decent that you have. If Spurs make Kawhi available this year and Olshey comes to them and tells them that he can offer our no. 24, the 2020 pick and btw you can choose anyone from Harkless, Aminu and Meyers it’s not going to work either. You need to offer proper assets to get a big player and you also need to take risks.

 

For sure Mitchell would have been good for us and that would be a heck of a 3 guard rotation going forward. But Mitchell would not have had the season he had if Portland had drafted him. How could he? He'd have played all season behind Dame and CJ. Then we'd be complaining about some other player we should have drafted instead of Mitchell. Maybe some team that needed a PF/C would have drafted Zach and he'd have started all season and he'd be the ROY candidate? Who knows? The Mitchell pick would have been good. The Zach pick was good. Maybe we can target a guard in the draft and trade up again? That would be good

 

Huh? Taking on Oladipo and Sabonis was more against their cap than any trade with us. They used their cap space on Darren Collison (who had a decent year but had a domestic violence hit on his record from a couple years ago so not many teams were touching him) and Bojan Bogdonavic (who also had a decent year) but they signed them both to two year deals with the 2nd year non-guaranteed. It's possible neither guy is even on their roster next year. I can see the argument for making the trade they did for Oladipo, especially now, but I'm just saying I would have gone full rebuild and the jury is still out whether their "fun" team was the right play.

As for George I think last summer was a lot different than this summer because everyone knew he was unhappy and he was already rumored to be going to LA in a year no matter what. Of course the proposal you suggest is nowhere near fair value for Kawhi and wouldn't get any consideration. Offering the 15th, 20th, 26th (or maybe even our pick in 2018 and we'd just keep the 26th) and Davis, Aminu, and Napier is a much different trade offer than offering just the 24th and a future pick.

 

Agreed. This is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard Olshey say. Who cares what the Blazers do in the regular season if they can’t duplicate it in the playoffs? What an idiot.

 

There's a long history about how much one pays for Blazer tickets that you are obviously unaware of. It didn't occur suddenly.

 

This sort of thinking simply defies logic.

 

OMG. I just listened to Olshey's exit interview. So defensive. And why is he so angry? And who is he angry at? The people on this board? I'm pretty sure he reads this board. Unbelievable. I'm fine with what he said but the tone of voice? Wow.

 

Honestly? I think he is!

 

As a supervisor, Olshey needs to verify whether the three O-Livers are doing the job they're paid to do.

 

That's exactly my issue with him. So condescending. Thinks he's some sort of genius and nobody else knows anything. Arrogant ass.

 

I hope so!

 

WHERE WERE YOU TEN DAYS AGO WHEN EVERYONE EXCITED ABOUT BEING THE THIRD SEED???!!??!

 

Some were waiting for us to lose so they could rag on the team. Now, what's wrong with that? Perfectly normal thing for a fan. Right?

 

Now this old fan Lanny is being condescending like Neil... we should just be thankful they win some regular season games... how dare any fan be disappointed the Blazers got swept.

 

Is the personal attack your forte?

And what's my age got to do with the content of my post? Answer - Nothing unless you're a bigot.