I'm So SICK & TIRED of Neil Olshey

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  1. Propagandist

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    That is very true; I've seen the numbers. But the vacant seats seem like a symptom of something bigger. Maybe, maybe not. Either way, something has changed in the arena.
     
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    Phooey. Dame is the only player on the team that is irreplaceable. Nurk and CJ have some value, and Collins may get there. The rest of the vets are all below average NBA players. Who knows if Simons or Trent have a future...we won't find out unless they bring in a coach who takes the time to find out. A major roster over-haul is the only sensible course of action.
     
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    Go be a fan of the Chicago Bulls then as they will likely be rebuilding for awhile. No thanks. I'm sure Lillard would be thrilled to go through a complete rebuild while he is in his prime.
     
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    But he's content to be surrounded by guys who don't pull their weight and will never win a play-off series? If Dame gives even half a hoot about winning, he would not object to roster changes.
     
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    A complete rebuild is not what Lillard is interested in at this stage and I have no interest in becoming the old Clippers or old Kings. You keep leaving out that possibility as well.
     
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    Failure is an option. I would never deny that.

    Two serious questions: First, are you willing to replace Olshey, knowing that at least some roster changes will result? Second, are you willing to replace Stotts, even though it is rumored Dame really likes him?
     
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    Depending on how the season finishes out, they may very well be changed as those are both positions that are usually hired to eventually be fired. Firing them doesn't automatically improve the team either though as it can also result in a step back. Like I said in a previous post, I am enjoying watching this team.

    Let me ask you this, would you fire Stotts if Lillard says he will have to think long and hard if he wants to re-sign?
     
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    I too think the season needs to play out before management or coaching changes are evaluated. Much can happen between now and summer.
    The cornerstone of this franchise will undoubtably have input as to what direction the team goes with him.
     
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    I'm not a big 'fire Stotts' guy...but firing Stotts now, 2.5 years before Dame becomes a free agent...are you actually suggesting that if management decided they needed a new coach they should just wait till they have Dame re-signed in July 2021 until they fire the coach they wanted to fire 2.5 years before?

    Dame is a great player but he's not the GM, nor should he have the power of those kind of decisions. He's earned the right to have input but he hasn't earned the right to have the veto

    Dame was good friends with Robin Lopez but he got over Lopez walking. He was really good friends with Will Barton but he got over Barton being traded. he was good friends with Tim Frazier but he got over Frazier being released. He was good friends with Mason Plumlee and hated to see Plumlee traded, but he turned right around and established a good friendship with Nurkic

    I've seen this same argument before. People don't like the opinions of other posters about such and such, and they try to use the "Dame won't like it" argument. In the last 2-3 years, that silly argument has been used over and over to defend the status quo and the status quo is basically trudging along on a treadmill

    sure, a lot can happen between now and April. That's 4 months of a year

    on the other hand, this is the 7th season of both Stotts and Olshey. You're talking about needing 4 more months of evaluation. Others here are saying that 78 months of evaluation are enough. There isn't anything new that will be evident after 82 months that wasn't evident at 78 months
     
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    Im not sure he should. Steph, Klay and co were all upset that Jackson got fired and that turned out fine. I know thats an extremely example and bringing in a new coach could have many outcomes and the GS one is probably not likely. However I think part of what I dont like about Stotts is there is a perceived lack of accountability with some players. The best coaches hold everyone to the same standard. You ever once hear Stotts upset with Dame, CJ, Nurk, Aminu?
    Do I enjoy watching this team? Kind of. I enjoy watching how good Dame is. Id say there brand of basketball in terms of enjoyment is pretty middle of the road though, at least most nights.

    Yes the Blazers could get a worse head coach, but they could get better and short term even if they moved horizontally they may be better just because it would be a new system that the rest of the league hadnt memorized.

    I feel like the right time was after the Pelican series. Maybe you dont do it now and wait til the end of the season.
     
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    Good question. I don't believe a player should be allowed to hold a team hostage. The team comes first - period. I would be saddened if Dame turned into that sort of arrogant snot - but if he did, I would hold the door for him.
     
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    Well there you have it. You have no officially endorsed moving every player. You really think that's going to improve this team that is only 3.5 games out of first? We should probably just agree to disagree on what this team needs and move on. Have a nice day.
     
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    The only version of Dame he endorsed moving is one that doesn't exist.
     
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    It doesn't exist because Stotts doesn't appear to be on the hot seat right now. That's why it was a hypothetical just like what he proposed to me was a hypothetical. It doesn't exist either as of now so not sure what your point was?
     
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    So what would you do now?
    Don’t just say fire them both but give a couple of replacement candidates.
     
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    I'm not surprised.
     
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    Mark Few, or Ime Udoka for coaches
     
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    I like both those guys.
    I doubt few would be interested?
     
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    I said I wasn't a 'fire Stotts' guy, but if he was fired, just elevate an assistant

    Olshey should have been fired in July 2016 and the janitor could have done as good a job since then
     
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    No idea how interested theyd be. Would be my first two candidates though.
     

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