Politics IMPEACHMENT 2020: THE BIG SNOOZE

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  1. Chris Craig

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    A viable third party candidate will never happen as the system in play will only ever cater to two parties. Voting third party is really only a vote for one of the two parties as is it takes a vote from, giving the other more.
     
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    One of the best universities in the country is Brigham Young. I remember a group of geniuses from there who designed cutting edge software called "The Super Group".
     
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    Are those the guys who invented Magic Underwear?
     
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    It takes a potential vote from both parties, giving both parties zilch.

    If/when enough voters vote 3rd, they become #1.
     
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    CC, that has been thinking for quite awhile now, but considering how disgusted and fed up so many people are with both parties, if there was ever a time for a 3rd party to have a real chance, it is now.

    Now, with that said, I also realize that any potential 3rd party candidate's hopes would be encumbered by the fact that there's only 9 months left for the candidate to sway people into voting for them, but also raising enough money for campaigning would be a huge stumbling block.

    Do I think that there's a realistic chance for a theoretic 3rd party candidate could win this November?...nah, just saying that if they had started a couple of years ago, things might be different.
     
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    We have to have a President, right? Trump certainly doesn't appear to live his personal life the way I live mine, but when it comes to policies, I'm more in line with his than anyone (legitimate) else out there. And this doesn't simply have to with the right-to-life issue.
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Money can buy a lot of things...

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...de-wealthy-by-donations-idUSBRE87B05W20120812

    As an aside, I have disdain for the television evangelists who continually pad their incomes (in some cases, hundreds of $millions) thru their various pleas and cons. Is tithing a part of the Christian life? Sure it is. But not to make my pastor rich.
     
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    This is too ridiculous to respond to other than to say that it's ridiculous.
     
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    Don't get me wrong. I agree with the idea of a system that caters to more than two parties. That would be great. I just don't think there is a realistic chance of that happening.

    Either like I said third parties would just take votes away from one party and give them to another or somehow if a third party was able to get enough votes, no candidate would reach 270 electorates. Then the house and senate would choose candidates...and they wouldn't choose the third party. If both the house and senate are controlled by the same party, that party will win. If like now one is controlled by the dems and one by the republicans, we would have a prez and VP from two different parties.
     
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    Fair enough, and point taken. ...I think we are very close to having the same view.
     
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    I agree with you that Mormon Magic Underwear is as ridiculous as the rest of their silly club.

    Not that there's anything wrong with that.

     
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    Saving Private Ciaramella
    The alleged “whistleblower” may get the whistle blown on himself.

    by George Parry
    February 7, 2020, 12:02 AM
    When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,And the women come out to cut up what remains,Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,An’ go to your Gawd like a soldier.— Rudyard Kipling, “The Young British Soldier


    So it’s over. The impeachment of President Trump, the latest and by no means last installment in the Democrats’ deranged and all-consuming effort to disenfranchise the 63 million unenlightened, Untermenschen Americans who had the bad taste not to vote for Hillary Clinton, has come to its completely predictable end. The House managers figuratively had their heads caved in and teeth scattered like bloody chiclets on the floor of the Senate as the president’s lawyers effortlessly and humiliatingly pureed their flimsy case and fed it back to them like so much rancid pablum.


    As the impeachment case was publicly exposed as a corrupt and baseless frame-up, Trump’s approval ratings and campaign fundraising reached new heights. Similarly, according to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, Trump’s acquittal also enhanced the electoral prospects of Senate Republicans who face difficult races in November.

    Moreover, to the undoubted surprise and consternation of the Democrat geniuses who ginned up Trump’s impeachment, his trial generated a bare minimum of public interest. Not only were there empty seats in the Senate gallery, but the trial also quickly turned into a television-ratings bust as well as a major irritant to potential voters who were deprived of their daily ration of soap operas and celebrity talk shows. As the impeachment farce played out, the vast majority of everyday Americans who have actual lives to lead ignored the Senate trial and attended to other, more important matters, such as rearranging their sock drawers and stenciling their driveways.


    During the Senate trial, there was one portentous occurrence when Chief Justice John Roberts declined to read aloud a question addressed to the House managers from Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.). As later disclosed by Paul, that question was the following:

    Are you aware that House Intelligence Committee staffer Shawn [sic] Misko had a close relationship with Eric Ciaramella while at the National Security Council together, and are you aware and how do you respond to reports that Ciaramella and Misko may have worked together to plot impeaching the President before there were formal House impeachment proceedings?

    According to RealClearInvestigations, Eric Ciaramella (that’s spelled C-I-A-R-A-M-E-L-L-A) is the so-called whistleblower whose complaint to the Intelligence Community Inspector General about President Trump’s July 25, 2019, telephone call with Ukrainian President Zelensky launched the House impeachment inquiry.

    Throughout the impeachment proceedings, House Intelligence Committee Chair Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) blocked all efforts to learn the name of the whistleblower despite reports that prior to filing his complaint with the inspector general the whistleblower had collaborated with committee staffers.

    Following Chief Justice Roberts’ ruling, Paul tweeted the following:

    My question today is about whether or not individuals who were holdovers from the Obama National Security Council and Democrat partisans conspired with Schiff staffers to plot impeaching the President before there were formal House impeachment proceedings. My question is not about a “whistleblower” as I have no independent information on his identity.

    Just so. Paul’s question cuts to the heart of the matter. Regardless of who the whistleblower may be, Paul wants to know if Ciaramella, Misko, and possibly other Schiff staffers conspired to impeach the president. If it turns out that Ciaramella is the whistleblower, then the follow-up question becomes whether or not he conspired with Schiff, et al., to concoct what is now exposed as a fictitious and materially false and misleading account of the Trump–Zelensky call.

    Did Ciaramella submit a false complaint to the inspector general? If so, was his false report concocted with Schiff, et al.? Is Ciaramella at the heart of this fraudulent and failed impeachment effort?


    On Fox News’ Sunday Morning Futures, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) announced,

    The Senate Intel Committee under Richard Burr has told us that we will call the whistleblower…. I want to find out how all this crap started….

    If the whistleblower is a former employee — associate of Joe Biden, I think that would be important. If the whistleblower was working with people on Schiff’s staff that wanted to take Trump down a year and a half ago, I think that would be important. If the Schiff staff people helped write the complaint, that would be important. We’re going to get to the bottom of all this to make sure that it never happens again.

    So here comes the Senate. But will it end there?

    Recall that former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith, another overeager Democrat partisan, has been referred for criminal prosecution for falsifying material information included in the FISA applications to intercept the communications of Trump campaign associate Carter Page. This is serious stuff, and young Kevin is in a heap of trouble.

    But how does that compare to the whistleblower’s predicament? What are the legal penalties for conjuring up a lie for the purpose of launching a fraudulent impeachment? And what do you do with someone whose deliberate fabrication bitterly divided the nation and effectively shut down the presidency, the House of Representatives, and the Senate as they sorted out truth from fiction?

    If RealClearInvestigations is correct and Ciaramella is the whistleblower, then he is in grave jeopardy. But what of Misko, Schiff, and others who may have conspired with him? Will they skate and leave him to take the heat?

    Maybe Clinesmith and Ciaramella can keep each other company as — to paraphrase Kipling — they lie wounded on Washington’s plains and the Senate Republicans, the FBI, and the Justice Department come out to cut up what remains. Will they roll to the Bureau and start naming names to save themselves from disaster?

    Or, as we used to say in the old Justice Department, the train’s leaving the station, and they can either get on board with the government or be a defendant. From the looks of things, ratting out their co-conspirators may be their best means of salvation.


    George Parry is a former federal and state prosecutor. He is a regular contributor to the Philadelphia Inquirer and blogs at knowledgeisgood.net. He may be reached by email at kignet1@gmail.com.

    https://spectator.org/saving-private-ciaramella/
     
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    After a little research, your source is from "The American Spectator", a Conservative publication. Spectator. org is the internet version of the magazine. It is currently headquartered in Washington D.C.
     
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    Correct.
     
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    What's the body count stemming from Democratic Socialists in Scandinavia? Do you have the stats on how many people in Scandinavia were killed by universal health care? (From a reputable source, so you'll need to find new sources.)
     

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