Apparently you're supposed to read the stats, then reinterpret them based on team record, player role, game significance, and roster composition, in order to not "twist" them...
'Twisted stats'? Those are verbatim from the basketball reference website....just as they are for any other player in the league. And it wasn't just one or two cherry picked categories. It was a large cross section of many different stats for both players. Since both have missed many games due to injury, even that part is fairly apples-to-apples. If someone wants to interpret them in different manners or under different circumstances, so be it. But the stats are not twisted. Then again, fake news is the norm these days.
Glad we have two practices since last game. Nurk got to actually practice with the new guys. That'll be huge....Rodney got some burn and will get his wind back...should be better ball..easy to forget Nas is still on the roster though quarantined
If Giles, Trent, and DJJ ball out this year can’t we keep Trent(RFA-Match him) Giles(Kanter/Hood are gone-use that money), DJJ another wink deal like we did with Hood? Tell him to opt in and we will take care of him the following year? All 3 appear to be 2 way players, which I like a lot. Also I thought next years FA class was stacked? If that’s the case coming off another covid season won’t contracts be down a bit for guys like Giles and possibly the other 2?
The problem with Giles is that since we'll be over the cap, we'll need to use a cap exception to re-sign him. Since he's come here on a one-year deal, we don't have bird rights, so the largest exception we'll have available to re-sign him is the mid-level (possibly even the taxpayer mid-level). If some other team wants to offer him more than that, we have no options under the CBA to offer more.
Portland is also limited in what they can offer Jones. If he has a good season and opts out of his 9.7M 2nd year salary, the Blazers can't offer him more than 11.1M. If some team offers up 15-18M it would be hard for Jones to pass that up
Wouldn’t shedding CJs salary solve a lot of these problems with Trent, DJJ and whoever else we currently might not be able to keep? If we could get expirings and maybe picks for him?
Yep... but that's never going to happen as long as NO is around. Because, as you know - CJ is a foundational piece for this team.
I don't think either of you are serious right now. You know that projecting stats into per 36 is not an accurate way to portray two guys who fulfilled completely different roles on their teams and played on teams that were competing in completely different ways. Giles was getting less minutes on a shitty team and Zach was getting more minutes on a team that was competing every game. Context needs to be added to stats not just putting some numbers in bold to paint one player as better than the other. When you post what you did, you really aren't making any point at all, you're attempting to pull a fast one. There are a lot of stats that you can cut and paste that contradict reality. Sometimes per 36 are very accurate and sometimes they are completely misleading. What you did was much closer to completely misleading. So yeah, you picked the stats that supported your opinion even though they obviously didn't represent the two compared players' contributions to wins. Just for fun I'll give you a stat that twists the narrative. Trae Young, James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Luka Doncic and LeBron James had the most turnovers per game this season so they're obviously the worst in the game at protecting possessions, while Justin Jackson, Semi Ojeleye, Marco Belinelli, our own Gary Trent Jr. and Patrick Patterson had the least turnovers per game this season so they're obviously the best in the league at ball safety. That's not the right context so those stats have been twisted to fit a false narrative. The funny thing is if healthy I'm not sure who will be better out of Zach and Giles but I do know that the stats you put up have no baring on how effective they have been in relation to each other to this point in their careers. https://www.datapine.com/blog/misle...ics are simply the,have the full data picture.
We haven't altered are perimeter defense? Huh? I'm not sure we could've altered it more... 10-10 would be an absolute disaster considering only 2, maybe 3 out of their first 20 games are against teams that are more talented than them, and a lot of other teams are incorporating new guys... The Blazers are incorporated RoCo (who fits well anywhere) and DJJ. Kanter played here just a season ago. Maybe they'll have to incorporate Giles as well, but he might not play regularly. Other teams: LAL - Schroder, Harrell, Matthews, Gasol LAC - Ibaka, Kennard, Batum HOU - Wall, Wood, Cousins, PHX - CP3, Crowder, Galloway, Smith, Moore DAL - Richardson, Johnson GSW - Oubre, Wiseman, Bazemore, Wanamaker NOP - Bledsoe, Adams, Lewis
They're literally using Per 36 to account for the minute differential between two players and to view production on a per minute scale without it being skewed due to a time variable, but apparently that's "twisted" and outside of people's mental scope.
Not being argumentative but i always kind of thought that was what it was used for? Now i do understand the players had different roles on teams that were at a different place as far as talent and records are concerned. So that would have to be a variable? One of them was being asked to be a fourth or even at times fifth option and the other was being asked to carry much more of their load. I do wonder what those same stats would look like if they were in opposite situations?
I did not project any stat....bbref compiled the data and I used print screen of the data and not only did they use per36, they also used per possession which is quite different than per36; it's based upon rates of production and efficiency rather than minutes. And they also compiled the advanced stats in reality, neither player has been very impressive so far in their careers. They both have below average shooting efficiency although Giles is almost average. Their FT rates are essentially the same. Giles is a decent rebounder but nothing special; Zach is a poor rebounder. Giles is a much better passer with a slightly lower turnover rate. They both have significantly negative BPM marks, but Giles is a little better. Not a lot to get excited about in their careers so far ****************************************************** so I guess what's left is calculating upside. Neither player can be counted on for durability at this point; that's a first consideration. Giles is only a half year younger so there's no 'youth' advantage. We've seen a lot more of Zach which is probably why so many are unimpressed at this point compared to Giles averaging 18.5 points and 13.5 rebounds over two meaningless pre-season games. A little hard to imagine Zach posting numbers like that. By the way, just for the sake of pissing you off, that's Giles averaging 26 points & 19 rebounds per36....
I don't know about "far worse".....in 2019 when CJ missed 12 games, the Blazers went 10-2. Small sample size but still however...sure, if CJ is simply erased from the roster Portland is probably a worse team. But that's not the discussion is it? The assumptions are CJ would be traded and the player(s) brought in from that trade might more than offset the loss of CJ as an example, if you gauge wins by winshares, CJ has contributed 30 wins in the 5 seasons he's been starting. 6 wins a year. When Aminu played for Portland he contributed 18 wins in 4 seasons; 4.5 wins a year. I'd sure hope that the Blazers could trade CJ for a package better than Aminu.
