exactly. some of the laker fans mocking rudy is beyond classless. not to mention ariza mocking rudy as he lay on the ground. i would have a hard time defending rudy if he did the same thing.
Would Toko be amazed that a soft brittle euro-flopper like Rudy could take down a big strong virile Ariza? By way of comparison, lots of non-Blazer fans think Joel is a goon. The Ariza foul got me thinking about that yesterday. It was the context of the foul that made it stupid and unnecessary. It was the actions after the foul that made Ariza look bad. If he'd done what Farmar did, this conversation wouldn't be happening. Period. It's a respect thing, and Ariza showed no respect for the human being he helped hurt.
Not everybody. Hurting somebody because you're embarassed about being blown out is the act of a little bitch. I don't want guys like that on my team.
Cause flopping in soccer came up, I needed to post this. [video=youtube;3pnpjc2Xkkc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pnpjc2Xkkc[/video]
Not if you had to live with the Jail Blazers. I NEVER excused the actions of Sheed, Bonzi, Damon or Ruben. As an old-time Blazer fan, I was embarrassed those antics occurred when they were on my team.
I agree with what some other posters have said on here that the biggest source of our anger is that Ariza didn't show any remorse or contrition. In fact, quite the opposite, challenging any Blazer within arm's length to a fight. It was a ridiculous, bush-league thug move. And if Rudy did the same exact thing, I wouldn't defend him for a second. -Pop
Look, I don't mind a hard foul. I don't think Ariza meant to hurt him. My problem came when he started celebrating after the fact. First, you're down by 30 so a little scoreboard awareness would be nice. Second, when you have a guy on the ground, regardless of whether or not you meant to hurt him, you don't start mouthing off. And if you want to know how we can be objective, check out the Jordan Farmar thread.
Since I already said it should have been a flagrant 1 and not a flagrant 2 I'd go with that, even if it was Rudy -- then again I don't have the man-crush on Rudy that some guys seem to have around here. And for chrissakes, all this insistence on an 'honest answer' is pure bullshit, what you're really saying is 'answer the way I want you to, or it's an invalid opinion'
Because of the weight differences and the laws of physics, Rudy can't have the same impact on Ariza that Ariza can have (and did) on Rudy. Rudy's skinny, much smaller arms swiped across Ariza's arm likely wouldn't have even been able to pass through, let alone go through the right arm, rake across the head, bend the head to the side, and continue to follow through the left arm. Rudy's attempt at a "hard message" foul in the situation would have been like the many players through the years that have attempted to wrap up Shaq - mostly having little effect.
See the "justify their obvious homeristic response" statement is exactly where you go wrong and why you don't get "rational" here sometimes. Weren't you the same poster who came over yesterday and was making fun of Rudy's "brittle bones" while he was actually still in the hospital? While I don't think one of our players would do this you don't want that answer so I guess I would say I sure as hell wouldn't be over at the other team's forum making fun of it.
And Toko, just as an FYI here are my first two posts right after the game. I think you will see that a lot of us were pretty rational about it. Quote: Originally Posted by Sinobas I think he got a stinger from the head blow, and the wind knocked out of him. A 185 pound guy crashing to the hard floor without football pads on has got to hurt. The straight board was probably just a procaution. He's probably going to be very bruised and will probably miss the Dallas game. (just my speculation). Spud147: I thought neck injury right away when they said his face was numb but then he started moving his arms. I like your opinion much better! Whatever it is, he's going to be hurting tomorrow... I don't think there was any intent to hurt Rudy but he fell HARD! I knew it was bad when the camera caught the look on Pau's face. Quote: Originally Posted by Pinwheel1 I think he wanted to hurt him in the heat of the moment type of way that happens win you are frustrated that you are getting your ass kicked. I doubt he wanted to injure him, but "hurt".....he swung pretty hard. Spud147: That's what I saw too. Trevor was frustrated and he made a really reckless play. He meant to make Rudy hurt (as in ouch) but didn't want to hurt him (as in injury). I almost felt a little sorry for that Laker fan they showed leaving the Rose Garden... I just thought, "Buddy, you probably want take the jersey off and run to your car". I'm glad we have a few weeks before we see the Lakers again this season. These teams obviously do not like each other and need to go to their respective corners and cool down for a while. I like intensity but I don't want to see a fight/suspension mess up our play off hunt.
I usually side with the victim of a flagrant foul and this time wouldn't be an exception regardless of what jersey might be worn. In fact well before this foul I've stated my support for a rule change suspending the flagrant fouler if the other player is injured until the player sees the court again. This could have a 5 or 10 game cap on it, but the idea would be to have guys using discretion on the court and looking after the games best interest of keeping everyone healthy and playing. I've nothing against a hard foul, putting someone's health at risk is another matter. On this particular play I thought it was dirty because I don't believe it's okay to commit a hard foul on a guy from behind when he's airborne. It should be on the trailing defender to avoid contact which to my eyes was not what Ariza was trying to do. If he was he would have used his near hand to the ball (his left) and reached around Fernandez rather then using his right to swing across his head/body. I buy Ariza's claim as unintentional as much as I buy the latest shrug from Bruce Bowen. The way he went after the ball, contact had to be expected. And he absolutely had to know that his arm had crushed Rudy's head. That he had caused a major collision causing Rudy to crash... but instead of concern he turns away and struts. That this dangerous play was made down 28 points in the last seconds of the 3rd only highlights how unnecessary it was. here is the LA broadcast of it... <object width="480" height="295"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/kTQ5x392QpQ&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/kTQ5x392QpQ&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="295"></embed></object> from the first moment they are claiming Trevor is an innocent soul and Rudy is somehow at fault for the way he jumped. "It's all about how he fell because he got the basketball" "Trevor Ariza was playing the basketball, there is no question" In the subsequent analyzing of the multiple replays, not once to they acknowledge that Ariza's wild swing snaps Rudy's head forward or that he grabs his wrist after. So shoe is on the other foot, do you think this incredible broadcast might just have something to do with the Laker fan takes we are hearing? STOMP
So you would be calling your own team's player "scum, dirty, low-life etc" and wanting him off the team? Man, and I though mixum was the shitty fan.
Broadcasters are supposed to be homers. Listen to your own, they were shouting "HE SHOULD BE SUSPENDED!!111", then, after reviewing it, it was "well, he was going for the ball, BUT HE SHOULD BE SUSPENDED ANYWAYZ111!!!".
I've called our own players scum (Qyntel Woods), dirty (Ruben Patterson) and low lifes (Zach Randolph). And yes, I wanted them off our team. However, I've never called for the L*kers to dump Ariza. I think he fits in well with the collection of rapists, druggies and Laimbeer wannabe's on your team. And as a L*ker fan, what are you doing off of your cell phone?
