Incredible pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows

huevonkiller · Jun 5, 2008

Surviving, and realizing potential are different...

Ryan · Jun 5, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 5 2008, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Surviving, and realizing potential are different...</div>

I really don't understand your posts. This makes you gald you're out of South America? Why? Are you afraid these people will do some harm to you. They've presumably been there for thousands of years and have yet to be contacted. Obviously they won't impact your life one bit.

Are you serious when you talk about "trying to get these people some help"? Why do they need help? Again they've been around for a long time, I'd say they're doing pretty good, much better than you or I could do in their situation. And I don't mean to imply that their situation is a bad one. Can you imagine the beauty they see every day, without all the buildings, traffic, and constant noise? Not working every day just to get enough to make the next mortgage payment or buy some new toy?

Realizing potential? I think you could argue that our society has destroyed our potential to really be connected with our surroundings. After all, we're the ones destroying their land, not the other way around.

Chutney · Jun 5, 2008

What do you mean by realizing potential, huevon? They're happy and obviously have a functioning society. That's really all you can ask for.

huevonkiller · Jun 5, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ryan @ Jun 5 2008, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 5 2008, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Surviving, and realizing potential are different...</div>

I really don't understand your posts. This makes you gald you're out of South America? Why? Are you afraid these people will do some harm to you. They've presumably been there for thousands of years and have yet to be contacted. Obviously they won't impact your life one bit.</div>

Obviously it wouldn't hurt to provide them with better medical care, or just a more comfortable way of living? I don't think life is just about getting by with the basic necessities.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Are you serious when you talk about "trying to get these people some help"? Why do they need help? Again they've been around for a long time, I'd say they're doing pretty good, much better than you or I could do in their situation. And I don't mean to imply that their situation is a bad one. Can you imagine the beauty they see every day, without all the buildings, traffic, and constant noise? Not working every day just to get enough to make the next mortgage payment or buy some new toy?</div>

I personally think they live a lame life compared to many here.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Realizing potential? I think you could argue that our society has destroyed our potential to really be connected with our surroundings. After all, we're the ones destroying their land, not the other way around.</div>

Stop trying to categorize me as the evil "White man" who wants to trick them and hurt them, etc.

I'm not one of the fools who murdered Amerindians, or destroyed their land. Nor do I suggest doing so.

huevonkiller · Jun 5, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Jun 5 2008, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What do you mean by realizing potential, huevon? They're happy and obviously have a functioning society. That's really all you can ask for.</div>

First off, I don't know if it is even that safe to make contact with these people, but they could use a couple of tweaks.

Ryan · Jun 5, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 5 2008, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stop trying to categorize me as the evil "White man" who wants to trick them and hurt them, etc.

I'm not one of the fools who murdered Amerindians, or destroyed their land. Nor do I suggest doing so.</div>

I'm not trying to categorize you as anything, I just don't think they need or want us to "help" them and I don't think they are any type of threat to our way of life.

I'm really facinated by the fact that there are uncontacted people out there and I really admire their way of life.

Chutney · Jun 5, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 5 2008, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Jun 5 2008, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What do you mean by realizing potential, huevon? They're happy and obviously have a functioning society. That's really all you can ask for.</div>

First off, I don't know if it is even that safe to make contact with these people, but they could use a couple of tweaks.
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I think you're making the mistake of characterizing these people as us stripped of our technology and modern comforts. That's not really the case, though. Progress/modernity certainly gives us improvements and benefits, but at the same time, it also introduces new problems that we have to deal with. I'm betting these people are a helluva lot stronger and more durable than us physically, simply because they haven't grown up into a sedentiary lifestyle and are less dependant upon medicines/chemicals/artificial foods/etc.

huevonkiller · Jun 5, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Jun 5 2008, 12:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 5 2008, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Jun 5 2008, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What do you mean by realizing potential, huevon? They're happy and obviously have a functioning society. That's really all you can ask for.</div>

First off, I don't know if it is even that safe to make contact with these people, but they could use a couple of tweaks.
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I think you're making the mistake of characterizing these people as us stripped of our technology and modern comforts. That's not really the case, though. Progress/modernity certainly gives us improvements and benefits, but at the same time, it also introduces new problems that we have to deal with. I'm betting these people are a helluva lot stronger and more durable than us physically, simply because they haven't grown up into a sedentiary lifestyle and are less dependant upon medicines/chemicals/artificial foods/etc.
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They might not want our help, but they could probably use it.

Obviously we don't live perfect lives, and they are getting by decently, but the mind is what I am concerned about. Reading books, thinking about certain concepts and ideas as well as the spread of education or knowledge of world events, makes us superior beings in general. They are not reaching their potential in other words.

Run BJM · Jun 5, 2008

I agree with Huevon here. Seems like everyone wants to treat them like animals; keep them in the wild and protected like a friggen endangered species or something. They're people though. We shouldn't go out of our way to keep them ignorant of the world. IMO it would be cool to send some well intentioned researchers up there (if its safe) so study them, try to contact them and show them that theres a lot more people out there than what is in their tribe. No one is going there to try and install corporations in their villages for god's sake.

They're people. They should be informed of technology and things that could improve their standard of living. No one is making them do anything, they can continue to do whatever the hell they want. If they want to continue living exactly the same then they can but I'd bet that if you showed them a lighter, flashlight, or a sleeping bag they'd probably like to use that since its easier/more efficient than just using what nature offers. Its nice that there are tribes like these who are completely isolated but they are still people, not animals. They can make their own decisions and if that ends up in their culture being destroyed who are we to stop it? IMO if they are open to technologies or moving into the "rest of the world" then they shouldn't be kept in the dark. If they are completely against outsiders and technology and whatnot, then that's fine as well. I just don't think that because they are living completely isolated that it means that they are completely happy with what they have and they would automatically reject anything that would make their lives different and/or easier. They have no idea what is even out there.

Its almost like the Truman Show. Sure, they're doing fine with everything they need as is but is it really the right thing to do to keep them isolated and ignorant of the outside world? IMO you should at least reach out to them, send some people up there and see if the tribe will accept them and how they respond to the outsiders. If they want to be a part of it, then they should be allowed, if not thats fine too. I just think they should know what is out there so they can choose if they want a different (and in my opinion "better") life instead of keeping them ignorant of the world. It would suck if it destroys their culture but IMO its up to the individual to make choices about their own well being, if you're that concerned with maintaining someone else lifestyle you can go ahead and try to become a part of their tribe and keep it going.

Chutney · Jun 5, 2008

You just can't assume there's one path of development though. Like I said before, "primitive" (I hate using that word) tribes aren't living like Westerners separated from their modern comforts. They're fundamentally different than us because they've developed fundamentally different than us (both evolution-wise and nurture-wise). They may not have modern medicines, but they also don't have to deal with so many of the self-inflicted medical problems we're facing (eg: high child mortality rates, obesity, AIDS, cancer, etc.). They may lack a lot of our modern conveniences, but they also are probably naturally stronger/more durable and have less need for our artificial constructs. They may not have our intellectual tradition, but that does not mean they're incapable of complex, theoretical thought: it's just done and expressed in a completely different (probably incomprehensible to us) way.

I'm not saying we should suddenly all reduce ourselves to that state. But I'm trying to look at the situation objectively and I really do think that you can't evaluate completely foreign societies in respect to a world that is completely irrelevant to them. You can say that we're "sheltering" them all you want, but has anyone wondered why they've never bothered to leave that specific area before?

huevonkiller · Jun 5, 2008

No one is sure that they are aware of the world around them. If they are and choose to live like this, that is one thing. As complex as they may be mentally, they sorely lack the kind of mental faculties that we have. How did humans evolve over the course of the years? And what makes us better than animals? It is acting civil, and using our human brain to develop as a species that leads to greater innovations.

They may be getting by, but they are most likely inferior in various fashions. One can be as poor and as old fashioned as they want to be, for it is the mind that matters most in my eyes. They should at the very least be exposed to new concepts. There are many theoretical concepts relevant to their culture that they are not aware of. We can't save every country, but some fundamental rights should be provided. Illiteracy in our world is rarely beneficial, and I don't know if there is much we can do for them.

Mamba · Jun 5, 2008

**** it, nuke em.

bbwMax · Jun 7, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 5 2008, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Jun 5 2008, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What do you mean by realizing potential, huevon? They're happy and obviously have a functioning society. That's really all you can ask for.</div>

First off, I don't know if it is even that safe to make contact with these people, but they could use a couple of tweaks.
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How do you mean not safe?? Do you mean they could attack the Communicators? If so with what. At best they have Bows and Arrows and compared to our Weapons they would not stand a chance. I'm not saying that All Americans go in all guns Blazing but if it were to come to a little fight then they MIGHT have poison tipped spears or some crap like that. I personally think if we were to approach them (Which IMO we shouldn't) Then they would either Welcome us into their Village (Or whatever you want to call it) or go all out to kill the explorers.

huevonkiller · Jun 7, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Max @ Jun 7 2008, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 5 2008, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Jun 5 2008, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What do you mean by realizing potential, huevon? They're happy and obviously have a functioning society. That's really all you can ask for.</div>

First off, I don't know if it is even that safe to make contact with these people, but they could use a couple of tweaks.
</div>

How do you mean not safe?? Do you mean they could attack the Communicators? If so with what. At best they have Bows and Arrows and compared to our Weapons they would not stand a chance. I'm not saying that All Americans go in all guns Blazing but if it were to come to a little fight then they MIGHT have poison tipped spears or some crap like that. I personally think if we were to approach them (Which IMO we shouldn't) Then they would either Welcome us into their Village (Or whatever you want to call it) or go all out to kill the explorers.
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They could hurt a couple of us before we beat them in a fight, it's not just about winning some hypothetical battle.

Denny Crane · Jun 7, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Run BJM @ Jun 5 2008, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree with Huevon here. Seems like everyone wants to treat them like animals; keep them in the wild and protected like a friggen endangered species or something. They're people though. We shouldn't go out of our way to keep them ignorant of the world. IMO it would be cool to send some well intentioned researchers up there (if its safe) so study them, try to contact them and show them that theres a lot more people out there than what is in their tribe. No one is going there to try and install corporations in their villages for god's sake.

They're people. They should be informed of technology and things that could improve their standard of living. No one is making them do anything, they can continue to do whatever the hell they want. If they want to continue living exactly the same then they can but I'd bet that if you showed them a lighter, flashlight, or a sleeping bag they'd probably like to use that since its easier/more efficient than just using what nature offers. Its nice that there are tribes like these who are completely isolated but they are still people, not animals. They can make their own decisions and if that ends up in their culture being destroyed who are we to stop it? IMO if they are open to technologies or moving into the "rest of the world" then they shouldn't be kept in the dark. If they are completely against outsiders and technology and whatnot, then that's fine as well. I just don't think that because they are living completely isolated that it means that they are completely happy with what they have and they would automatically reject anything that would make their lives different and/or easier. They have no idea what is even out there.

Its almost like the Truman Show. Sure, they're doing fine with everything they need as is but is it really the right thing to do to keep them isolated and ignorant of the outside world? IMO you should at least reach out to them, send some people up there and see if the tribe will accept them and how they respond to the outsiders. If they want to be a part of it, then they should be allowed, if not thats fine too. I just think they should know what is out there so they can choose if they want a different (and in my opinion "better") life instead of keeping them ignorant of the world. It would suck if it destroys their culture but IMO its up to the individual to make choices about their own well being, if you're that concerned with maintaining someone else lifestyle you can go ahead and try to become a part of their tribe and keep it going.</div>

They are human beings, and it is out of respect for them that you leave them alone. Whatever they're doing, it's worked for them for hundreds of years, if not thousands. Who are we to judge them or their lifestyle, or to say that we know better? I do not at all think we're so enlightened to know better.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane)</div><div class='quotemain'>Let's see.

They're dirt poor, so they need a poverty program. They're uneducated, too, so we ought to send 'em to public schools. But hey, we have separation of church and state, so we'll wipe out any individuality they have in their culture and effectively wipe out any distinct religion they have. At the same time, we'll force 'em to learn in english, so they'll forget whatever language it is they speak. They probably make their own booze, can't have that. And they're not paying taxes, so we'll send in the tax collectors. The food they're eating isn't USDA approved, oh no!

If they don't want to do things our way, we'll surround their compound with ATF and FBI agents, then set their home on fire.</div>

Lavalamp · Jun 7, 2008

^^ Well how are they going to see who wins the NBA Finals if we don't help them?

Lavalamp · Jun 7, 2008

^^ Well how are they going to see who wins the NBA Finals if we don't help them?

huevonkiller · Jun 7, 2008

Well if they're Celtic fans I wouldn't want them to suffer...

bbwMax · Jun 8, 2008

Lets give Hawksfan to them. In an Hours time they will automatically go to the Doctors for some Anti-depressants. Then Boom. Welcome to Modern America.

huevonkiller · Jun 8, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Max @ Jun 8 2008, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lets give Hawksfan to them. In an Hours time they will automatically go to the Doctors for some Anti-depressants. Then Boom. Welcome to Modern America.</div>

Lmfao.

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