Insider: Toronto 's Win In The Turkoglu Tug-Of-War Is A Blazers Victory (Arnold)

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  1. RickyRubio

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    You think she is a "babe"? And who the hell says babe still? She is a 4\10 on my scale. But that is only 1 pic. She could be hotter.

    Anyhow, yeah I agree with the poorly written article. WAY too much money and not a good fit. Watch. Hedon't is NOT going to play well next year. Wont even make the playoffs.
     
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    If we are talking in "if's", IF Joel opts out of his deal that will give us more money. IF we renounce Barndon and LMA that would give us more money.


    As for their plan. All we have heard about for the past 2 years has been cap space THIS YEAR. If KP tries to spin this in any way as we really wanted it for next year, and anyone believes him, then shame on that person.
     
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    If Portland renounces Brandon and LMA? I think you're confused. Those numbers reflect a max deal contract extension for Roy and a near-max contract extension for Aldridge.

    Przybilla opting out is pretty likely, since he can probably get a larger deal on the free agent market and can surely land a starting position.

    Shame on Pritchard if he can't adjust his plan based on circumstances. But I doubt he bases his plans on what bitter fans say about him. ;)

    Again, I'm not advocating that the Blazers shoot for cap space in 2010, just that your contention that it's impossible is wrong. They can clear space in 2010 even after extending Roy and Aldridge. It's an option, if they choose to go that way.
     
  4. Natebishop3

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    That's a legitimate fear though, Joel opting out.... Maybe we SHOULD trade him.
     
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    We have his Bird Rights. He likes it here and we can pay him the most to stay.
     
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    You are right, but maybe he wants to start? Once Oden gets going, do you really think there will be enough playing time for Joel? He isn't a scorer so he can't play power forward. He's going to be wasted on our bench in the prime of his career.
     
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    Unless GO is hurt though, he will never be a starter. It might not be important to him, but I think there are going to be some teams out there that will offer him some good cheese next off season after all of the big name guys stay where they are. Joel would move up to the top of that class pretty quickly. I realize we love him here, but do we love him enough to match a huge offer? He will be just a back up hopefully.
     
  8. maxiep

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    If Joel only cares about starting, he's not the person I thought he was.
     
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    It's not really about starting, but more about actual playing time. How do you figure Joel is going to get much playing time when Oden is playing 35+ minutes per game or more?
     
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    If he is paid as a starter on another team over back-up money in Portland, I wouldn't blame him for moving.
     
  11. maxiep

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    We can afford to pay him as a starter. Being a valuable backup is an important role.
     
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    That depends on what he's offered. What if he gets a 5 year/$40 million deal? It would be insane to match that for a back-up center considering much of it would be doubled in luxury tax.
     
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    Anything we pay Joel, for as valuable as he might be needs to be doubled because of the luxury tax.
     
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    A backup center can mean the difference between a championship and an early exit. Ask the Rockets this year or the Heat with Zo.
     
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    Agreed, but we would be talking about having Aldridge and Lee as back up center, with another big for insurance like Pendergraph for example.

    Look how good Frye played last year at center. I don't think paying a back up center 8-10 a year is worth it, when you can probably get a solid guy for either the vet minimun or the MLE
     
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    David Lee as a backup center? We're going to have to agree to disagree. What happens if Oden goes down again?
     
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    Aldridge can shift to center and Lee starts at power forward.
     
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    Meh. I still prefer Przy as our backup center. Pendergraph was drafted to be that backup energy guy.
     
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    I see your point, but while our defense would suffer, out offense would be much better.

    Not that it means everyhting, but Lee's Per at center was 22.0 and only 11.5 at PF His opponents PER was 19.7 at center and 21.8 at PF. So he is actually a much better center than a PF.

    Joel's, by the way, was 17.5 at center, as was his opponents. LOL by the way at Joel's 31.8 PER at PF. He was a monster in those few seconds he played there. Apparently the twin towers should have been used more, haha.

    Aldridge is at 21.6 at PF and 20.2 at center. His opponents are at 15.5 at PF and 22.8 at center.

    Including Oden's 20.3 at center with his opponents at 17.5, Jole was the least effective center of the 4 actually.

    I don't think those are actual PER numbers though. I got them from 82games.com. Never the less, I got them all from the same site, so if they are a little off, they are most likely a little off for all of them the same way.



    I love Joel, but not at that money
     
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    Aldridge would be a fine backup center and Lee compliments him very well IMO...I could see POR try and get a guy like Kurt Thomas (if MIL cuts him) or Oberto or some other journeyman veteran to fill in as that 3rd big man....

    The key is what POR could get Przybilla....HOU is looking at entering the season without a center. If POR could flip Przybilla for Battier that would be perfect..

    Blake\Outlaw or just Outlaw? for Lee
    Przybilla for Battier

    PG: Blake\Miller (as a FA), Bayless, vet FA (Anthony Carter, Flip Murray, Gardner\Jeter)
    SG: Roy, Rudy, Webster
    SF: Battier, Batum, Cunningham
    PF: Aldridge (b\u center), Lee, Pendergraph
    C" Oden, Thomas\Oberto
     

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