Interesting mostly unbiased view of the Blazers

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  1. HailBlazers

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    As I see it:

    1.) Lillard - Super little Man
    2.) LMA - Big Robin
    3.) Batum- Batman
    4.) Mathews- Iron Man
    5.) Hulk ???

    With a True Six Man and a bench, that starting five (If we find that elusive C) could contend with two years of polish under their belt.
     
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    The "big 3" ifor POR s not good enough to carry them an NBA title, and putting your hopes in Leonard progressing into a high quality center is dubious at best....
     
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    I see Leonard being our big bench player. We need a starting defensive minded center.

    This summer; we need to find that starting center first; then find the back up pg, then the scoring 6th man.
     
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  4. HailBlazers

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    They are good enough to beat any team in the league on any given night, so hey it's a start
     
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    Still can't get over how many people think of Dame today as the Dame of the future. As mook said, the kid is not a traditional 4 year player, and has some glaring holes in his game right now. And we've already seen improvement in 50 games. Just wait until he gets a few summers under his belt.
     
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    Rajon Rondo was averaging 12.2 FGA before going down with the injury this season.... and as I stated before, John Stockton never averaged more than 11.9 FGA, so I fail to see how Rondo is more of a pass-first point guard than Stockton. It's not about how many points you score, but how many shots you take. Don't penalize Stockton for shooting over 50% from the field.
     
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  7. Natebishop3

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    Drummond isn't a top 10 player. The point would be to trade Aldridge for the chance at a top 10 player, IE the draft. Lillard plays well enough off the ball that we could target a top 10 quality guard or forward and I don't think it would affect his game negatively.

    I would still like to see if Indiana would trade Paul George for Aldridge.
     
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    My bad. I equate scoring with actual points, not with efficiency or some other measure.

    :)
     
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    He would have the largest upside IMO.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I don't care where they put their polish, that team cannot beat OKC or Miami ... not even close.
     
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    No realistic move would
     
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    We're not talking about scoring, we're talking about shooting. Pass-first vs shoot-first equates to someone taking shots. Whether they make them or not is irrelevant. You're claiming that Stockton was a shoot-first point guard because he scored 17 ppg, but I say he only scored 17 ppg because the guy shot over 50% from the field. He took less shots than any of those other point guards, and while Rondo has usually taken less FGA in his career, I think the sample size is too small. Rondo has only played 6.5 years in the league. Stockton played 19 years. He only averaged over 15 ppg three times in those 19 years, so for you to point to those three years as some kind of evidence that he was a shoot-first point guard is ridiculous. His career FGA was 9.1

    Compare those to the other names I listed, and guess who is at the bottom? Guess who has a lower career FGA than your pass-first point guard?:

    Derrick Rose 17.5
    Russell Westbrook 16.2
    Gary Payton 14.0
    Chris Paul 13.9
    Deron Williams 13.8
    Tony Parker 13.7
    Kevin Johnson 12.5
    Jason Kidd 11.3
    Steve Nash 10.6
    Rajon Rondo 9.5
    John Stockton 9.1
     
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    Interesting comparison, because those were the quintessential "selfish" point guards, with no means really of expanding their game, and I don't see any danger of Lillard fitting that mold.
     
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    Especially since Lillard seems to be one of the most humble and down to earth, hard working guys on the team. Damon was just a little bitch. I never forgave him for crying about minutes when we were just about to start the WCF against San Antonio. Unforgivable in my eyes.
     
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  15. Denny Crane

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    By your definition, Wilt was a pass-first C because he had a season where he took just 14 FGA and had 8 assists per game.

    Nash, btw, has scored over 15 PPG 9 times and over 18 twice. In no way would I call him a pass first PG. He absolutely looks for his own shot and dishes when guys are open.
     
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    Wow this thread seriously got hijacked! LMAO!
     
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  17. Natebishop3

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    He has the lowest FGA, which means he took the least amount of field goals on that list, yet he averaged over 10 assists per game for his entire 19 year career. He had more assists per game than attempted field goals, of which he made over half. Not sure what more you would want in a point guard. I'm done trying to convince you.
     
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  18. Denny Crane

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    Here's a pass-first PG:

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bucknqu01.html
     
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    Isn't it crazy how most would always wine about our bench in the past (mostly backup PG) yet I would take almost any backup PG (outside of Armon Johnson) over many of our bench players this year.

    Patty, Jack, Bayless, Rudy (I know not a PG), heck even Sergio over the crap we trot out lately.
     
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