Interesting Offseason

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  1. RangersFan

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    I think Andersson can still develop, I just don't think it will be as a Ranger if he does develop. My guess is we'll trade him at some point, but we'll see. Who knows how it will play out with him. All we know now is he's in Sweden next season at least.

    As for Kreider, I think he moves to RW or they slide him down to play with Chytil. With Lafreniere and Panarin at LW, there is no other option. As for Kreider's chemistry with Ziban, it didn't stop Quinn from splitting them up for most of game 2, and game 3 against the Canes.

    As for DeAngelo, I still think the best play is a 2 year bridge deal, unless his trade value is very high and he can net us a very good # 2 C in a package.

    Here is what I know for sure, it's an exciting time to be a Rangers fan. So many options to round out this team.
     
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    Package Andersson with Smith for a 3rd/4th and maybe eat 1m or something.
     
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    Some rumblings about TDA and Buffalo.
     
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    Could be for Reinhart. He doesn't take draws but he's a good wing and he plays tough and with an edge. A playoff type. I wonder if they trade TDA if they know they can bring back Lundkvist. Maybe he has an out if he's guaranteed a spot on the big club. That would surely free up Buchnevich, Chytil and Strome for a center.
     
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    The more you think about it, the more you think Buch is the guy to go in a package (maybe with the second 1st round pick) for a # 2 C.

    He is a softer finesse type player, he is not a 3rd line type player, and we have good depth on the wings.

    Lafreniere/Ziban/Kreider (Kreider needs to move to RW)
    Panarin/# 2 C added/Kakko
    Gauthier/Chytil/Kravtsov
    Lemieux/Howden/Barron

    Looks really solid to me. Maybe you want to add a grizzly vet to play on the 3rd line in place of Gauthier or Kravtsov, but directionally that is a good lineup with a lot of talent.
     
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    I dont like Kreider on the right at all. The best element of his game is streaking up the left side and beating defenders to the outside with his speed and power. Put him on the right side and you're asking him to do that on his backhand. Not saying he cant play there but it would hinder one of the strongest parts of his game. Same with Gautheir on the right side - a power player who uses speed/power. Wingers playing on their off side are usually more of the playmaking variety, like Panarin, who open to center ice looking to dish off the puck. That's not Kreider or Gauthier.

    That bottom 6 scares me. Lemieux would be the elder statesmen at the wise age of 24; 2/3 of the third line can't even buy a beer yet. I think it needs more work than just adding a grizzled vet.

    I do agree that a forward should be used as part of the 2C upgrade, but I think it should be Strome over Buch. I watched that Flames game last night. They need a makeover. Credit to dump for being the first to raise Monahan's name. He checks every box we are looking for: a young C on a reasonable deal that is very good on draws, can play in all 3 zones, doesnt play small and has legitimate puck and shooting skills. Might be out of place at 1C but would be a very good 2C. Very durable other than the ugly injury last year (when he still went over 80 points). The Flames dont have a single right shot winger worth a damn. Strome could be interesting for them if they prefer putting Lindholm back at C and continuing to ride Backlund at 2C. And as I've said before, we could work in a DeAngelo/Hanifin angle to upgrade 1LD as well but that's another discussion.

    Lafreniere - Zibanejad - Buchnevich
    Panarin - Monahan - Kakko
    Kreider - Chytil - Kravtsov/Gauthier
    Lemieux - Howden/Barron/Gauthier/Fast or other vet

    That has the making to be a very solid and balanced F group. Buch can be moved out next offseason ifwe are confident one of Gauthier or Kravstov can handle top 6 responsibilities and Lafreniere/Kakko excel as they should.
     
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    I don't anticipate Strome being back, but I am not sure he is enough to get back a very good # 2 C, unless the remainder of the package is very good. He is an RFA who can be a UFA after next season. That hurts his value I believe. If you want a guy like Monahan, who most likely isn't available anyway, we'd need to give up way more than Strome. We added Strome for Spooner last year. Very doubtful that now equals Monahan. Sure he had a solid year, but he also played with one of the top 5 players in the NHL on his line, that certainly impacted his stats.

    As for Kreider, he either shifts to RW or he plays on the 3rd line. I am not opposed to him playing on the 3rd line, I am just not sure they will do that to their 6.5 mill per leader. If he is open to it, sure move Kreider to LW, certainly gives us good depth on the lines.

    I love your big plans (I mean that seriously not sarcastically…:)), go get Monahan, go get Hanifin, but I'm not sure why the Flames would move those guys unless they got a lot in return, and to me that means a lot more than RFA's DeAngelo and Strome.

    Directionally though, moving a winger in a package for a very good # 2 C, is the right move, and we are on the same page. We'll see what names end up in the boxes.
     
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    Right, we would need to add to Strome if Monahan was the target. But I wouldnt be surprised if CGY did end up making Monahan available.
     
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    Count me as surprised if Monahan becomes available for anything less than a great return. Only 26 in two months, 30 goal 60 point guy with maybe a little more upside, signed for 3 more seasons at a very reasonable 6.375 per. That all equals big return IMO.
     
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    Where are the Flames going with Monahan and the rest of that team? Nowhere. They are caught in a no mans land right now. They should break it down. Build around a few young players. The guy I wanted there for years is Bennett. He plays with a nasty edge. They never use him correctly. They give him little ice time during the regular season. He had 8 points in 10 games in the playoffs and was a plus 4 in the playoffs. Gorton blew it on that one. He had a chance to steal him. Now his value will be way up. However, I still think he can be had. If they go after Monahan I would think Chytil and Buchnevich are in the deal for sure. They really need young defenseman to build around over there. I think TDA will be something they would pass on with his contract demands. I would think they will want some prospects that are good but will never play here. Zac Jones. Tarmo Reunanen. A goalie prospect like Wall.
     
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    The names you are throwing out there get us into the conversation, I agree. Chytil, Buch, kids, maybe the second 1st round pick. That's my point, it will take a real big offer to get Monahan. At days end though I'd still be surprised if they deal him, unless the offer is simply too good to pass up.
     
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    Monahan's value is down in my book. As Gaudreau sucked this year so did Monahan. That tells me that he's a complimentary player much like Strome who will only produce at a very good level if the star on his line is having a good year. He's not capable of carrying a line and making his line mates better.
     
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    I think Strome would have been traded already if any team had interest in him. I'm hesitant to trade younger players unless it's for a proven commodity which Monahan certainly is and he and Gaudreau are both being mentioned after the postseason flameout. The Rangers definitely need to add toughness so a guy like Bennett works but Calgary plays a much more physical game, not sure how finesse players like Buch or Chytil (who I would not trade) fit in to that style of play.
     
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    We'll see what Calgary does. Not sure if their plan is to break it up or not, but even if they do I still think Monahan is going to cost a lot, and he may be worth the price because he'd be a great fit here.
     
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    100% agree and to get a player like Monahan names like Fox have to be mentioned, not pieces the Rangers don't need in their lineup.
     
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    Nonsense. I wouldn't trade Fox straight up for Monahan. Like I said. He's a complimentary player. Look at his numbers last season. He sucked because Gaudreau wasn't good. You're nuts if you don't want to trade Buchnevich. That guy is is a moron. He will never be a good playoff guy.
     
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    OK, then if he is a complimentary player why are we talking about him? I thought the intention was to trade for a difference making #2 center. What am I missing?
     
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    To show how far the Rangers have come in a short period of time, even if they do nothing except re-sign their own RFA's, we'd have a darn good team:

    Lafreniere/Ziban/Buch
    Panarin/Strome/Kakko
    Kreider/Chytil/Gauthier
    Lemieux/Howden/Barron

    Hajek/Trouba
    Lindgren/Fox
    Staal/DeAngelo

    Kravtsov and Miller potentially play a role as the season progresses.

    That's a pretty good team. A playoff team I believe. Excellent forward depth. If Lafreniere is ready like they say he is, Kakko takes a step forward, Lindgren and Fox stay strong, and Trouba stabilizes in year two in NY, that could be a very good team.

    We know they'll make moves and this won't be the exact team, but I post this to show even if we do nothing but re-sign our RFA's we are in a real good spot.
     
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    Monahan is a big upgrade from Strome who I don't think is that good. For starters he's good on draws and this team has been getting smoked on draws for years. A second line center is really a player that compliments somebody else just like a second line wing is. Only first line players make other players better. On our team it so happens that Panarin and Zibanejad who are both first line players play on separate lines to give the team more scoring depth. Those players that make other players better usually cost 10 to 14 million. I don't expect Monahan to make other guys better. What I expect him to do is win 52% of his draws, play physical and playing with a guy like Panarin, capitalizing on his talent and putting up 80+ points while bringing more of a playoff type game to the team.
     
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    Did not write I wouldn't trade Buch dump, Chytil is the guy I wouldn't trade for Monahan because of his age, size and skating. Monahan is definitely mentioned in trade articles along with his shitty playoff performance and the more I read about him the more I'd rather have Bennett. Nylander is the guy for the Rangers to go after. Toronto needs RH shooting dmen? They can have Fox and Tony D. for Nylander, the Rangers are loaded defensively.. I'm confident in JD and Gorton and think they have enough pieces via players and draft picks to get it done.

    Ottawa has offered their #3 & #5 for the Rangers #1, no way I do it.
     

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