Only included him because it's the easiest way to match salary on an Ed/Vonleh/Collins for Brown/filler deal (which is essentially what any POR big for BOS wing would have to be). Only other way I see is:
Certainly a plus in my book, yes, but I'm also trying to find ways to make the salaries match while keeping the deal relatively balanced. How 'bout this Semi-excluding deal? As an added bonus for Boston, it sends the Celtics every player on our roster that grew up in the Boston area. But I doubt the C's would be interested because they'd have to part with Smart too, and that basically screws up their guard rotation. Seriously--try to find a somewhat-balanced deal that improves the C's front-court rebounding/defense, improves the Blazers' wing rotation, doesn't bring back Morris (who is apparently a deplorable person, per @Natebishop3), and doesn't decimate the C's backcourt. Brown/Ojeleye/Yabusele for Davis/Vonleh/Collins is about the only thing that works.
Probably. But if we could get the #3 pick from last year's draft--who happens to fill a position of need (IMO)--shouldn't they at least consider it?
Boston has little I'd want at this point. We had a deficit at the bigs positions, bigs by committee of under performers (except Nurk). We lost wing depth with Crabbe gone. I prefer not to deal away bigs now that we're actively addressing improvement there. I'm not opposed to trades, just not in favor of dealing big for small. Unless the small is a game changer for us.
In the current NBA, big for small is not really that big a deal anymore. And I believe that Brown very well could be a game-changer, at least much moreso than Collins, given our present depth charts at the 3 and 5 spots.
I'm still trying to figure how JB fills a position of need. Because Crabbe is gone? Sans Carmelo aren't we set at SF? Brown is redundant no?
Likely he wouldn't. IMO the only way he would would be for a package like what I created--a big who can improve the team immediately while also being an expiring contract, and two young front-court lottery prospects who can solidify the team's future rotation. From the Celtics' standpoint, with Hayward and Tatum in house for at least the next 4 years, who would project to be of greater value to them over the long-haul: Brown or Vonleh/Collins? Again, I know it's not a deal that will actually happen, but I've fully convinced myself that it would make a ton of sense for both sides.
I'm basing this on the majority opinion that Harkless at the 3 is the biggest gap in our starting lineup. Not everyone is as high on him as you are. And yes, I know that dealing Davis/Vonleh would create a hole at the 4 for us. I'm counting on Aminu/Swanigan to fill that (for the time being). Of course, if Harkless and Vonleh do take a Nurkic-sized leap this coming year, no moves will be necessary. But I'm not banking on that if I'm Olshey (which, thankfully I'm not).
I didn't say that there isn't merit to the trade idea...just that GMs are usually pretty reluctant to give up on first round picks so early.
Agreed--which is why my first post contained the caveat: Sounds like we mostly agree. I'm just spending a little time in fantasyland, that's all.
Depends on your perspective. He rebounds, he defends, and he can score a little. What more do we really need from the PF spot given what surrounds him at 1/2/5? Clearly they're not quite the same caliber of player, but would anyone have called Buck Williams the weak spot in the '90 team's starting lineup? Vonleh's an offensive-efficiency-uptick away from being a very similar player, and is only 21 (until tomorrow).
Their rookie seasons: JB: Hark But now hark is over 35% from 3 (will have a career year next season book it) and is just overall better player IMHO. If Hark goes, Carmelo needs to be coming back.
