Is Chris Paul the trade KP is working on?

Plus, with Oden, we have a center who is hindered by foul trouble the rare times he's healthy. He isn't going to have the Hall of Fame career we expected of him. The quicker people can accept this, the more realistic we can be in these dicussions. Can he be an All-Star? Sure, but it's time to get past the once-in-a-generation pipe dream.

 

The quicker we can all accept that PapaG is Right and just accept what he's saying as Truth, the sooner we can start having intelligent, reasonable discussions.

Why don't people see this? Just you and me, bud.

 

I just can't envision Paul and Roy playing together when you look at how Roy and Miller played together. Roy wants the ball, and really, he needs it to be effective because he's not very active without it. Perhaps he would take a backseat to Paul because unlike Miller, Paul is better than Roy. Who cares, though. Isn't happening. Monty probably made sure Paul wouldn't be traded before he took the job. No point in taking a job where you lose your best player because that pretty much means you'll be fired in 3 years.

 

I think that adding a Chris Paul without giving up Roy or Aldridge makes this a team that can contend for a title. Paul dragged David West and Tyson Chandler to a conference semi-finals.

 

First, "premonition" has nothing to do with it. 3 seasons, 82 games played. The guy makes Bowie look like an iron man.

Second, your stats argument is pretty well voided by small sample size. There are any number of players in NBA history who managed to string together a streak of 20 good games. Ask Billy Ray Bates what that is worth.

 

Dumb post. You're better than that.

 

If Roy stayed at this level alongside Paul, perhaps. But my opinion is that one of the two would have to take a step back in their game, because playing off the ball isn't their ideal game. And I assume that player would be Roy, since Paul is the superior player. Roy can certainly be valuable off the ball, but I don't think he can be as valuable as he has been as a scorer off cuts. A lot of his value comes in possessing the ball, forcing the defense to react and then making a play for himself or a teammate.

 

I wish I didn't disappoint you. Plus I was on your side.

 

Roy said how easy the game was playing with Paul after the two played so well together in the 2008 All-Star game. Also, why is it taking so fucking long to post lately? I type, and the words don't show up until after a long delay.

 

Or, the change in role could help him stay healthy - increasing his productivity and extending his career.

There is an element of risk involved......but less than in the "Oden carries the team" scenario.

 

I don't think Monty was in any position to negotiate player personnel decisions.
It has been stated that Paul is better than Roy. Well he is a hell of a lot better than Miller too. Paul can do many things Miller can not do that would complement Roy. (Like spread the floor)

Plus Paul can take a few plays off while Brandon controls the possession

 

It's not CP3 we could potentially acquire.... I bet it's Steve Nash.... Think about it. GM Steve Kerr resigned because the owner is tight with his purse (or satchel). Amare will not be back, especially due to the tight owner and Kerr leaving. Take away Amare, what's the point of hanging on to an aging, expensive PG? Joel, Miller, and Bayless for Nash.

We were rumored to be interested in Nash a couple times of the last year or two. I wouldn't be surprised if some sort of communication/groundwork wasn't laid out at that time that has been carried to current times, even with Kerr out as GM.

 

It may extend his career and this improve his career productivity. But winning titles is about the highest level of production on a per-game basis, especially in the playoffs. I don't think any durability gains he ends up with over the course of a game would even out the losses he'd experience being a cutter off the ball.

Less risk, yes and less reward. I don't know about Oden "carrying" the team, but I don't think there's much risk to the proposition that Oden should be one of the several most valuable big men in the game. He's already been that in the games he's played. The risk comes in terms of his health...which is certainly worrying, but a lot less so than lack of talent. IMO, at least.

 

That is a pretty good take. Makes sense. Not as exciting of a move, but certainly more attainable.

 

As much as I love fantasizing about getting Chris Paul (and yes, I'd trade Roy if that were the price), this makes a lot more sense. The defensive liability part is troubling but Nash can certainly handle the ball and distribute, he is deadly from the free throw line, and he is the kind of three-point shooting point guard Nate seems to need next to Roy.

 

I disagree. I think Chris Paul is a much better player than Greg Oden, and I think he'd make everybody on the team much better than our current or past PGs. Oden had a 23 PER in 21 games. While I love seeing that from Greg, Paul has AVERAGED a 25.6 PER, and he still had a better PER than Oden last season while coming off of midseason surgery. Paul is an elite NBA player right now. Oden has shown some good things (PER/production) and some bad things (injury-prone/foul-plagued). Refusing a trade where the principal players are Paul for NO and Oden for Portland would be a fireable offense for the GM, IMO.

From a pure prodiction and basketball point of view, I don't see how any NBA GM would refuse that trade if ther owner was willing to take on Okafor's bad contract.

 

I'm not sure why you're making that comparison in response to me. I agree that Paul, right now, is significantly better than Oden. My contention was that a Paul/Oden pairing (with Aldridge) is higher risk and higher reward than a Paul/Roy pairing (with Aldridge). A large part of that is because, as I said, I don't think Paul and Roy can both maximally leverage their talent together. Part of it, though, is that I think Oden will be more valuable than Roy once Oden is in his prime, if he stays healthy.

The "if he stays healthy" is the higher risk part. My belief that Oden, in his prime, will be a better player than Roy and a better combination with Paul is the higher reward part.

 

Yup, and it seems NOH were just toying with KP