Did I mention the zits on Zion's ass? I'm sure that needs a full statistical analysis from you too. Obviously, I'm just messing with you. Zion is far and away the superior player and I'd take him in a heartbeat, although I do think his career is likely to be shortened by his weight and the strain he puts on his knees. Regarding Zach's injury history, I don't have any concerns about his shoulder. A repaired shoulder after an injury associated with dislocation, when followed with appropriate physical therapy, isn't likely to be a recurring injury. The stress fracture to his ankle is more concerning to me just because it didn't heal well following the first surgery and it's an area of the body that doesn't have a great blood supply. In my view, it's way too early to give up on him, but I'm sure that Olshey will want protections in any contract extension or new contract.
you have no way of knowing if there was any correlation between the starting role/increased minutes and his two major injuries. Sure, it could very well just be coincidence. But the injuries occurred over the course of only 11 games, and the only thing different about those 11 games and his first 140 game was a much heavier workload I'm not saying there is a correlation. But there sure as hell should be that worry in the F.O. of the Blazers since it's entirely possible Zach could miss most of the last 2 seasons of his rookie deal heading into his extension
sure, no argument, and I know you weren't really comparing Zion to Zach in any fashion than injury history. And I'm really not advocating giving up on Zach. I think my biggest concern is knowing he's an Olshey project and Olshey's history of bidding against himself, especially with Meyers. I hope Olshey lets the market decide Zach's value by the way, how often are you close enough to Zion's ass to count the zits? and do you count with your fingers?
No, I'm not. Those 80's Lakers won 5 championships with Rambis on the roster. But in '88 he was gone, and they didn't win another with Magic et al.
That was also the rise of the Pistons and Bulls championship windows. Lakers were getting pretty old at that point, just like Boston was...in case someone were to make an argument about Bill Walton or someone else off the bench being their 'chip glue.
Just as you have no way of knowing. It could just be that he woud've gotten that injury in 2 minutes, vs 36 minutes. His increased minutes doesn't mean that's the cause. He played only 24 minutes in his 3rd game of the season, in the game he got hurt against Dallas. That's not significantly more than he played regularly the previous year. And you can't tell me that in *3* games his body was already worn down enough to make it more susceptible to an injury. Especially since he played 8 games once he returned and had NO shoulder issue, and his next injury was totally and completely unrelated to his shoulder. If that doesn't scream fluke or random injury, nothing will.
there you go...that's all you had to say and I wouldn't have questioned it neither one of us know, so your 'absolutes' that the increased playing time wasn't the cause just seemed a bridge to far for me. I wasn't saying there was a correlation, just that two sets of facts coincided and, it didn't have to be cumulative minutes over a full season causing enough fatigue to set conditions for an injury. Zach averaged 17 minutes in college; he averaged less than 17 minutes over his first two season. And he averaged 17 over 20 playoffs games. That's over 200 consecutive games where he averaged 17 minutes. Then, to start last season he was suddenly averaging over 30 minutes a game and was headed for another 30 minutes when he was injured. His career could easily have conditioned him for a load of 17 minutes a game. Increasing that load by 80% could have been the trigger for injury
Bump! @THE HCP @KSF-ERIC This is the missing link thread for Zach Collins Yep maybe they should be merged? It's getting hard to follow?
