Is Damian Lillard the greatest Portland Trail Blazer of all time?

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  1. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Exactly. It's not even close.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    How could anyone look at that 50+ game list and not think that this dude is bonkers? And yet Mr. "No 50 point games" beats him out as the starter this year.
     
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    Of course he is the best.

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    Walton had the peak.
    Drexler had the longevity.

    Dame has the quality.

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    Yes. I still think Clyde, and Walton had more natural talent, but through sheer force of will, Dame has taken the crown in my mind.
     
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    So here's a question - if Walton was soooooooooo good, why has Dame smashed his career high in PER?
     
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    PER isn't considered to be a great advanced metric because it overvalues scoring, even inefficient scoring. Not that Dame's scoring is inefficient, but players who generate more of their value through scoring tend to be overvalued by the measure.

    Second, defense is basically not captured at all by PER. It counts blocks and steals, but that's a very primitive way to measure defense. Walton was a top-end defender, Lillard isn't. That's a huge value swing, much more than the PER difference.
     
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    Yeah but he isn't the Most Valuable Dork like @SlyPokerDog
     
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    Dog, Most Valuable Dog.
     
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    Yes sir, Dame is the GOAT Blazer.
     
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    Dame has won 4 playoff series with 1 WCF loss

    Walton has won 5 playoff series (PDX) with 1 Championship & MVP
    Bill Walton is the only player that has won both Sixth Man of the Year and NBA MVP and an NBA Finals MVP
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    Clyde has won 9 playoff series (PDX)with 2 WCF wins and 2 Finals loss
     
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    Clyde the Glide had 1528 steals in 9 full seasons
    Dame has had 632 in 8 plus seasons

    Different kind of players with different strengths and weakness's. Clyde I know is the all time worst Blazer tipper according to my ex wife that served the blazers for years at Oswego Point when they were on the river.
    Makes since though as Clyde was a finance/accounting major.
     
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    Hell yes he is.
     
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    Not sure what Bill winning 6MOY has to do with his time in Portland...
     
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    Today's NBA is easier on scorers than it was in Drexler's and Walton's day. Personally I don't believe anyone who says any player is GOAT.
     
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    This article makes me feel bad for Dame.
     
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    discount it then....no biggie
    Even after winning finals MVP & League MVP in his later years he wins 6th man. Only player to only do it is kind of cool.
     
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    Not even MELO could pull that off. :blink:
     
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    Clyde Drexler 9 years -
    Total Boards - 4351
    Total Steals - 1528

    Dame Lillard 8 plus years -
    Total Board - 2692
    Total Steals - 632

    Its tough to totally discount Clyde's stats and playoff success
     
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