Is it all in Roy's head?

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  1. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Call me a homer, but I still have hope. Can't think worst with this guy. I owe it to him to stick by him until the end. He was a pivotal part of the Blazer's turnaround.
     
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    Shooter Unanimously Great

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    I like your attitude. Sure hope Roy can make a comeback!
     
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    Assuming he doesn't show any more by the end of the season than he has so far since coming back, then yes if it would work to the team's advantage as far as the salary cap goes, no if it's only luxury tax relief. As a fan, I don't much care if Paul Allen shells out some money in luxury tax. I'd rather have Roy able to contribute something, even at a reduced level of production, than simply cut him to save a few dollars that don't clear cap space. On the other hand, if it is advantageous in terms of the cap and makes it easier to put a better product on the floor, then I'd be willing to part with Roy.
     
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    Lakers are not gay, tlong. Say it ain't so. Please. I don't want to have to like them.
     
  5. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Too many people don't understand that even if we waive Roy, we will still be over cap. The only thing it will save us is a roster spot and lux cap relief. We still need to resign Oden and Batum. There will be "0" left for anyone worth a damn.
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Why would you like them simply because they're gay? There are all kinds of straight people I dislike. Someone's sexual preference has no bearing on what I think of them.
     
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    There are too many unknowns at this point to have an intelligent opinion as to what the smart thing is to do with Roy next year. We don't know what the new CBA will have as a salary cap. We don't know whether the cap will be a hard cap or continue as is with maybe a lower luxury tax threshold. We don't know if there will be an amnesty provision that will allow for a player to be waived and, if so, whether the waiver will only count against luxury tax or whether it might count against the cap, or at least a hard cap if one is put in place.

    As it is, if the Blazers pick up Miller's option year and if Oden were to take the qualifying offer, they would be committed to about $69 million for next season. Add in a first round pick and a couple of guys for the end of the bench and you're at around $72 million or so. Roy's scheduled to make around $15 million next year. If the league were to set a hard cap at about what this year's salary cap was ($58 million), the Blazers might be forced to dump Brandon simply to comply with the hard cap. OTH, if it's a soft cap, like I said above, as a fan I don't really care if PA pays a few bucks in tax as long as he's willing to do so. Brandon, even at a reduced effectiveness, is likely to be better than any other minimum dollar guy we could get to fill his roster spot.
     
  8. magnifier661

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    well e_blazer I seriously doubt there will be a hard cap. That would make it impossible for teams to keep players. This isn't the NFL or NBL. It's somewhere in between. If there is some "hardcap" then the cap must be much higher just to keep up with the revenue sharing with owners and players.
     
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    I don't know if Stern will be successful in getting a hard cap or not, but if one were to be put in the new CBA it seems to me that it would have to be phased in over several years. Like I said, there are just too many unknowns to have a reasoned opinion on Roy's contract after this year.
     
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    I did not quite interrupt what Miller said the same way you did. When I heard him say it, I agreed with Nate. Meaning when Roy misses wide open jump shots, or gets to the basket and misses a lay-in....it is mental. Partly due to not being used to coming in cold off the bench as opposed to starting.

    Nate was not addressing the fact that Roy has lost a step. Just that his shooting struggles have not been related to his knees.

    Now what made me fall out of my fucking chair was when Miller alluded that since Roy's assists are down, he must be holding onto the ball more and not passing as much as he used to. For an x-NBA player to make such a stupid conclusion based on looking at a stat sheet is embarrassing. Gee you think there could be other reasons? Like the second unit he plays with can't hit an open shot? If anything Roy is holding on to the ball less, not more, than he used to.

    Bottom line though was that after watching the game last night, Miller knows that Roy still contribute at a high level. Even if he is not as explosive.
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Ha! See what I did there!?
     
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    I'm not so sure. I think Roy's revealed to be a streak shooter. He needs volume shots to even out his percentages and get numbers. Since he doesn't get volume shots anymore, his stats are going to reflect those of streaky bench shooters.

    That said, he really needs to shoot more I think. He's definitely adjusted his game, from my perspective, over the past month. He breaks a defender down, enters the paint, and kicks out. He would probably kick out 20% of the time pre-injury. Its seems nearly 90% now. I think he needs to shoot more getting so close, and that may be a mental block Nate is alluding to. But I would definitely take a Roy 2 inch jumpshot from 7 feet in a crowd over another Rudy/Patty/Matthews, etc wide open 3 point brick.
     
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    Miller is a horrible analyst. Gawd he's bad. So, are most NBA announcers for that part. They should learn from the NFL. Bring in ex-players who actually had to understand the game (ex-QBs, offensive lineman) as opposed to superstar athletes who bring name notierity over actual game knowledge. He was embarrassing himself over and over again the other night against the Jazz. Per usual with him.
     
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    And why would I have to do the same thing as you?
     
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    You like all gay people simply because they are gay? So it would be fair to say you discriminate against heterosexuals then..
     
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    So, you were forced to like Roy Cohn because he was gay, regardless of the fact he persecuted gays and communists? Interesting.
     
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    No, I don't like Roy Cohn. I don't like all gay people. I would, however, cheer an openly gay athlete for the same reason that Lithuainian-Americans turned out to cheer Sabonis. And for the same reason that Jewish baseball players get dozens of Seder invitations from strangers.

    Of course, most probably the Lakers are not gay and tlong is just one of these dimwits who think being gay is so awful that he can use it as an all purpose slur, you know, like a white guy calling another white guy the n-word or a man calling another man a b-----.

    So, I'm off the hook.
     
  18. tlongII

    tlongII Legendary Poster

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    For you, crandc, I'm going to remove my sig. I have nothing against gay people and I apologize since you find it offensive. However, I can guarantee you that most professional male athletes consider it a slur.
     
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    Coaches say that to motivate players all the time. I once had a diving coach at Pearl Harbor who'd answer my plaintive complaint with, "No such word as can't." Then he demanded again that I kill myself with some ridiculous backflip from 30 feet high.

    He was going easy on me because I was 12. Good thing I wasn't 18 or I'd be swimming with the sharks. Instead I'm with all you creampuffs here. Ahh, I love the Northwest.
     
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    Just cause someone says something is gay doesn't mean they have anything against gay people. Gay people are awesome. Women are awesome. People like crandc who seek out arguments when no harm is intended upset me. Save it for the people who are actually homophobic or misogynist.
     

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