Is it time to trade Kobe?

<div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">^ the Steve Francis and Tracy McGrady trade was a star for a star at the point</div>Yea, that's true. As well there was the Artest for Peja trade, which was a B-class star with issues for a C-class star.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Phun, Shaq requested a trade anyways. He didn't want to be here after we lost to Detroit. The first mistake we made was letting him make the trade...there were rumors swirling about Elton Brand, Jermaine O'neal, Steve Nash, hell...I've heard that even Riley said the Lakers could've gotten Wade if they would've pressured him more.

I don't know...I just think this organization is convinced on building for the future and settling for averageness right now. If that's the case, I think Kobe will want out sooner or later. He's a winner...he wants to win...anywhere. Andrew Bynum doesn't have more potential than Oden, Dwight, Bosh, Durant, and most of these other amazing young bigs. If teams want to believe that though, ship him away while he still has some value. His game is very similar to Brendan Haywood's. He's slow, long, and his stamina is piss poor.

Jordan Farmar? Like I've stated before, there are PG's in the D league just as talented as him. He's nothing special, nothing to write home about, nothing to get hyped over.

If these two young kids are holding us back from making a trade because they're our "future", this organization isn't what I thought it was. I used to be sold on Bynum, but his attitude is poor, he can't handle criticism, and honestly...his game is disappointing to watch. Go watch tapes of Haywood in the paint...and then Bynum.

Odom, Bynum, Farmar some picks for KG.
Odom, Bynum for Jermaine and Daniels
Odom, Bynum, filler, for Gasol.

All of these players will have an immediate impact on this team....Kobe's prime is now. It's only right that we give him a respectable shot at winning. No team in the league fears our current lineup outside of 24.</div>

If KG, Jermaine, or Pau get traded, the team will immediately be in rebuild mode and why would they want Odom's contract? Also like you said, Bynum has a better chance of not being anything special then being special, maybe other teams are just realizing that too and are declining trading their superstar for an overpaid contract and a young decent big? Maybe next year they will want a big expiring contract, but that FA class as of now isn't looking that amazing other than the PG's that are guaranteed to get extensions(that rookie class has been decent in terms of draft classes-Bogut year).

Honestly I think the GM's will just laugh at Mitch for even thinking Odom/Bynum would be good enough to get these superstar players. Gasol and KG aren't going to get dealt. Jermaine might, but I bet they get a better offer rebuilding wise then Odom and Bynum for JO and Daniels.

<div class="quote_poster">Skiptomylue11 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Two legit allstars?

There were 10 teams with 2 or more Allstars:
Phoenix: Nash, Amare, Marion
San Antonio: Duncan and Parker
Denver: Melo and AI
Utah: Boozer and Memo
Houston: Tmac and Yao
Dallas: Dirk and Howard
Washington: Gilbert and Caron
Miami: Wade and Shaq
New Jersey: Kidd and Carter
Detroit: Billups and Rip

Which teams do you think would give up 2 allstars for Kobe?</div>

Not to mention teams aren't going to give up both of their top 2 pieces for Kobe. You likely will get the 2nd/3rd best players on a team and a solid role player and possible picks. There would be no point for a team to trade their top 2-3 players for Kobe, because Kobe will basically be in the same situation that he is now. For example: the Tmac trade, the Rockets kept Yao, for the Shaq trade, Miami kept D wade, etc. Another example would be all of your trade rumors for superstars not including your best player Kobe......

 

SOrry.......
I posted this already, but this is a thread that matches the question more:

Would you guys be adverse to Kobe for Durant and Randolph? That would be your future and you're building like you did with Kobe and Shaq. Not to say Bynum is as well established as Shaq was when he came out, but if he is as untouchable as the reports say, why not?

Portland would have Kobe, Roy, Aldridge, and a fresh start (no more "YOU CHASED SHAQ FROM LAKERLAND talk) to be "the man" from beginning to end.

......just a thought.

 

<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I would want no part of Zach Randolph from the Blazers. I'd also prefer to draft Greg Oden than Kevin Durant.</div>

Why do you prefer Oden. I know he is supposed to be the best since Ewing, but I think Durant will be a much better player when he is drafted and into the future.

Durant can do so much, Post up, shoot the 3, drive, pass and create his own shot. Oden can block, rebound and run the court well, plus be a monster in the low post, however Durant can get blocks and rebounds as well. So I don't know why Oden is hyped to much, it is almost like Durant is underrated in a way.

 

<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Titles are won with defense and a strong anchor in the middle. Durant is an amazing player, but it would be harder to build a championship team around him.</div>

But since the Lakers have decided that their future is with Bynum, why not put a great scorer with him? If you were to get Oden, you'd have him and Bynum, which would push him farther back in terms of growing into a dominant Center. I think the Lakers should do something similar to the Pistons, and give the bench (and Bynum) more playing time throughout the season for experience and confidence. I know it's "A Different World" (thanks J.A. Adande for the 80's references) in the West and you have to scrape and claw to get into the playoffs as opposed to the East where you can hang out for the 1st half of the season, win 5 close games and practically have home court in the 1st round, but it's the long run you're going for....and Kobe can't wait.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Sabretooth Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">But since the Lakers have decided that their future is with Bynum, why not put a great scorer with him? If you were to get Oden, you'd have him and Bynum, which would push him farther back in terms of growing into a dominant Center. I think the Lakers should do something similar to the Pistons, and give the bench (and Bynum) more playing time throughout the season for experience and confidence. I know it's "A Different World" (thanks J.A. Adande for the 80's references) in the West and you have to scrape and claw to get into the playoffs as opposed to the East where you can hang out for the 1st half of the season, win 5 close games and practically have home court in the 1st round, but it's the long run you're going for....and Kobe can't wait.</div>Oden and Bynum are hardly in the same class skill-wise.

 

if we sent out kobe, odom and bynum all in the one trade, do you think we could get 2 allstars in return? imagine kg AND jo on the same team together! idk how it would on but that would be the best frontcourt in history. anyway that would never happen, i think we need a good point gaurd, no a great point gaurd, we need kidd on our team, kwame/radman/bynum for kidd maybe? probably not but worth a try, this would be our lineup:

Kidd
Bryant
Odom
Turiaf
MLE (maybe magloire although i doubt he'll settle for just the MLE, can we go over the MLE?)

 

<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">If the Lakers want to keep a great scorer with Bynum, why trade Kobe in the first place? He's best scorer in the game right now.</div>

Because they wouldn't expected to put a championship caliber team together next year. If they were to make the move, they'd be exciting to watch now and will grow with experience to be great. They would have financial flexibility, time to exhale instead of feeling smothered with moves they can't do. Don't put Kobe in the same situation as KG when you keep trying to tinker and pass up on the future. Am I saying the Lakers can't make a run with Kobe? No. But if there is a player that the feel extremely confident in that can take them to the next level, go get him. Kinda like when Sheed went to Detroit and "Boom", ECF finals since. But you gotta remember, it took Prince AND Wallace who were already making their marks. Is there a single player out there, you feel, can help take the Lakers past the likes of the Mavs, Spurs, Jazz, Suns, Nuggets, or Portland/Seattle (or both depending on who they pick)? Also, you have to have some kind of defensive scheme to make it work....these are "The Facts Of Life" (J.A.).

The Twin Towers might work, and they do have a hell-of-a-mentor in Kareem....but I don't know if it will translate as well as Duncan and Robinson because Robinson was a vet with experience and had Tim's back. It's a trust thing.

 

before i clicked the link, i already knew it was a platchke article ... he's been trying to run kobe out of town for years.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">nMg, is Bill a Shaq fan? I've noticed he writes a lot of articles about Kobe in the negative light.</div>

yeah, pretty much what shape said. I dont know if Platschke is a shaq fan, but he's definitely a kobe hater.