Jordan, I think, gets so much credit because he is amazing and was the face of the league when it was blowing up nationally and its very easy to go look at his highlights, and the media as well as most fans have always valued offense more then defense. Jordan is the GOAT and I don't think he will ever be displaced because no matter what a player does the media will always bring something else up they have to do to equal Jordan.
Yeah, you did imply it by bringing up Robert Horry and suggesting he's "above" Jordan due to his seven rings. No one with a lick of common sense would ever make such a claim. So, why bring it up? It's a ridiculous strawman. BNM
I was pointing out why just looking at championships never made any sense to me. Using the 6-0 argument, Jordan never lost in the finals, devalues those who made the finals but didn't win the ring. Winning a ring is obviously the best thing you can do but a person shouldn't be punished because he made the finals but his team didn't win. Magics 5-4 record in the finals is more impressive to me then Jordans 6-0. You also can't just say Jordans 6 rings make him the best because Jordan is tied for 10th all time in rings won with the only person in the last 25 years to have more then him being Robert Horry. I'v seen way to many people use the 6-0 Jordan ring thing as the end all of discussions about who the GOAT is as if that just ends the conversation and I was pointing out why I disliked the use of that.
Interesting--people point out that it took Lebron 33 more playoff games than Jordan to pass him in all-time playoff scoring, but nobody is pointing out that he did it in 118 fewer shot attempts (or 41 fewer possessions if you use factor in free throws). Everyone knows that Lebron is a better passer and rebounder than Jordan was, but it should also be pointed out that he's also a more efficient scorer.
This is not much of an accomplishment given how shitty the EC has been for his entire career. I'm pretty sure you could replace LBJ's teams with a 7-man roster of RC2 posters and accomplish the same thing.
If Lebron fucks the Warriors again, he will be my GOAT. How crazy would it be for a team as historically elite as the Warriors to get dicked over TWICE, almost single handedly, by one dude?
comes down to this. If you had MJ and LBJ comiong out in this draft, with what we know now... who would you take? 99% of GMs would take LBJ. Ill always be in MJ's camp. He knocked off so many great teams it was ridiculous, but raw physique and efficiency as @PtldPlatypus pointed out, puts LBJ ahead of Jordan. And that fact that LBJ has generally been considered the underdog, where Jordan 's Bulls were almost always the favorites. LBJ would actually stand a slight chance at playing defense on Shaq. MJ would get swatted like a fly.
If Chamberlain, Jordan, James and Abdul-Jabbar were all in this year's draft, knowing what we know now, who'd go first? Tough call. I don't necessarily think era enters into this--players as gifted as Chamberlain and Abdul-Jabbar would dominate in any era, even a pace-and-space one.
look at 3 pointers made. That's one extra point, still counts as FG. Compare those two numbers and that stat doesn't seem as impressive
But if you look closer, for both Jordan and Lebron their points-per-shot on 3's (L: .987, J: .996) is actually less than their points-per-shot on 2's (L: 1.054, J: 1.008). The fact that Lebron's taken so many more 3's than Jordan actually hurts his efficiency. To be precise: with the same 4379 shots and assuming the same .328 on 3's and .527 on 2's, if Lebron had only shot the same 446 3's that Jordan had, that would leave 3933 2pFGA, on which he would have 2074 2pFGM, which combined with the 172 3s made and 1444 FTM would translate into 6108 points, or 113 more than he currently has (not even factoring in the additional free throws that 525 more 2PA would undoubtedly result in). Another way to look at it--if 525 of Lebron's 3PA had actually been 2's, he would have had to shoot .484 (40 points below his 2P%) on those additional 2PA to currently be below Jordan. And all that is still on 118 fewer shots. To have scored fewer points on the same number of shots, taking the same number of 3's, Lebron would have to shoot below 40% on the additional 2's for his efficiency to be below Jordan's. Yeah--comparing the 3's doesn't make that stat seem as impressive; it makes it more impressive.
Look, you guys are all idiots. You all know who the best basketball player of all time is. It's Lonzo Ball. I know that because his dad has said so, repeatedly. Geez, guys, pay attention.
well fuck I can't argue with the numbers because I am not gonna go through all that and check lol. I still take Jordan over Bron.
