<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Mar 1 2006, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's simple, if everyone is overrated, that makes it irrevelant. Does it not? There's no point.</div>Not everyone is overrated, but people seem to overhype the Birds,Magics,and Shaqs, but forget the Hakeems,Kareems,and Oscar Robertson's when they are all much better players, but just based on hype of others get forgotten. Magic and Birds Impact was much greater then the Players they were, Say Melo and Kobe met in the Finals for 4 straight years in 7 game serie's. Would that make them top 5 players, even though they're amazing players both in top 20, possibly top 10? And that's my point, at least as far to people who say Magic and Bird are both top 5 players.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Mar 1 2006, 11:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not everyone is overrated, but people seem to overhype the Birds,Magics,and Shaqs, but forget the Hakeems,Kareems,and Oscar Robertson's when they are all much better players, but just based on hype of others get forgotten. Magic and Birds Impact was much greater then the Players they were, Say Melo and Kobe met in the Finals for 4 straight years in 7 game serie's. Would that make them top 5 players, even though they're amazing players both in top 20, possibly top 10? And that's my point, at least as far to people who say Magic and Bird are both top 5 players.</div>what? people forget about hakeem? one of the best centers ever. people forget about oscar? average a triple double one season. kareem? same as hakeem. no one forgets about them. people don't over hype bird, magic or shaq either. they have rings to back it up so that pretty much makes your point meaningless. didn't magic and bird dominate the 80's? yea they did. shaq can't be stopped by anyone. you think anyone that's good is overrated. watch an nba game once in a while maybe you'll pick up on some concepts and see who is overrated. not the players who were named the 50 greatest.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nykfan4life @ Mar 1 2006, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>what? people forget about hakeem? one of the best centers ever. people forget about oscar? average a triple double one season. kareem? same as hakeem. no one forgets about them. people don't over hype bird, magic or shaq either. they have rings to back it up so that pretty much makes your point meaningless. didn't magic and bird dominate the 80's? yea they did. shaq can't be stopped by anyone. you think anyone that's good is overrated. watch an nba game once in a while maybe you'll pick up on some concepts and see who is overrated. not the players who were named the 50 greatest.</div>They are overrated when comparing the Players, and all of the players I listed won rings, that isnt relevent.
yea they did win rings but the players you claimed are overrated won much more. shaq 6, bird 3 and magic had 5. hakeem had 2, oscar 1, kareem 6. not to take anything from these three but shaq, bird and magic aren't overhyped when they have more titles. no one is going to forget kareem hakeem or oscar unless they know nothing about basketball.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nykfan4life @ Mar 1 2006, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yea they did win rings but the players you claimed are overrated won much more. shaq 6, bird 3 and magic had 5. hakeem had 2, oscar 1, kareem 6. not to take anything from these three but shaq, bird and magic aren't overhyped when they have more titles. no one is going to forget kareem hakeem or oscar unless they know nothing about basketball.</div>You obviously dont understand my point, I never said that they wont be remembered, But Magic,Bird,and Shaq are all usually rated over Hakeem,Kareem,and Big O. Im not trying to start a ring discussion, but Magic,Larry,and Shaq all won rings on some of the greatest teams ever assembled, not say they arent great players, just not on Hakeem,Kareem,and Big O's level, seeing as my top 5 would likely be1.Michael Jordan2.Wilt Chamberlain3.Oscar Robertson4.Hakeem Olajuwon5.Bill Russell6.Shaq7.Kareem Abdul-Jabbar8.Larry Bird9.David Robinson10.Magic Johnson
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Not everyone is overrated, but people seem to overhype the Birds,Magics,and Shaqs, but forget the Hakeems,Kareems,and Oscar Robertson's when they are all much better players, but just based on hype of others get forgotten. Magic and Birds Impact was much greater then the Players they were, Say Melo and Kobe met in the Finals for 4 straight years in 7 game serie's. Would that make them top 5 players, even though they're amazing players both in top 20, possibly top 10? And that's my point, at least as far to people who say Magic and Bird are both top 5 players.</div>You speculate too much on who overhypes who. If Melo and Kobe met each other in the Finals for 4 straight years, that's amazing, that their teams keep coming back. Also, with their current teams, it's a miracle.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Mar 1 2006, 11:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not everyone is overrated, but people seem to overhype the Birds,Magics,and Shaqs, but forget the Hakeems,Kareems,and Oscar Robertson's when they are all much better players, but just based on hype of others get forgotten.</div>how is being forgotten and not being remembered different? you're right i don't understand your point because you clearly don't have one. you're saying that oscar, kareem and hakeem get forgotten when they clearly won't be. shaq, bird and magic are rated over them because they were clearly better players. you can't be serious right now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nykfan4life @ Mar 1 2006, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>how is being forgotten and not being remembered different? you're right i don't understand your point because you clearly don't have one. you're saying that oscar, kareem and hakeem get forgotten when they clearly won't be. shaq, bird and magic are rated over them because they were clearly better players. you can't be serious right now.</div>I give up discussing with you, just like many others on this board. There's no talking to you.You dont comprehend very well.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Mar 1 2006, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I give up discussing with you, just like many others on this board. There's no talking to you.You dont comprehend very well.</div>no you don't have a brain. you think the best ever is overrated. he averages 30ppg as a career. you're an idiot. he deserves all the hype. you call yourself a bulls fan too.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Mar 1 2006, 06:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Defenses of the 90s were much greater then any defenses they've brought along now. And When Kobe scored 81 points, they said, The Hand Check rules made it so he could do it, and MJ could score 100 with that rule in effect. So Which one is it?It's obviously neither, Defenses have always been great, even in the 80s. IF they werent Joe Dumar's Pistons wouldnt have shut Jordan out to 25% series fg% several times,and they wouldnt have shut out Larry Bird and Magic Johnson.</div>I'll go and find an article, but Jordan himself said he was lucky for not having to face the zones of today's NBA. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>As far as 90s go, How can you say defenses werent as good? 90s was defensive basketball at its purest, It was a mucher slow game, probably even more then today, and there has never been more players who deserved a DPOY award each season. Look at that all-defensive team for that era and find me a better one. If anything it was at least as difficult to score that many points.G-Gary PaytonG-Michael JordanF-Scottie PippenF-Dennis RodmanC-Dikembe Mutombo</div>Yes, there were better one on one defenders, but there weren't the zones of today which force great players to pass. When a zone D plays effective zone, great players do not score many points unless they take very wild shots. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>As far as today goes, these so-called Zone defenses obviously arent too effective since players like Tony Parker are shooting amazing fg%'s, and who is the best defender? Ben Wallace? In the 90s he'd struggle to make the second team. And todays ''compex defense'' did give Kobe 81 points.</div>Back in the 80's the normal team PPG was 110PPG. Now that is unheard of and only the Suns have come close in the past like 15 years. In the 80's were when Jordan was at his peak scoring wise. In 90's he was playing in the triangle which got players like him more one on one chances. There is a reason scoring has been so down in the past few years,a dn it is because of many defensive changes, much improved athleticism (many player these days are athletic as say Kobe, but none were in 80's and most of 90's when jordan was playing against man defense). Again, he is the GOAT, but everything about him is overrated except his amazing scoring ability.
I think Michael Jordan is overrated in the sense that people think that no one will ever be better then him. I think he was great, best we have yet to see, but I think we can and will see a better player (Lebron James).
Just my humble opinion, but I seriously doubt LeBron's career will have anywhere near as many accolades and accomplishments as MJ's.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Mar 2 2006, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stop NY, You don't know what you're saying.</div>i hope that's not directed toward me. if you knew anything about basketball you would know he's not overrated. i do know what i'm talking about. don't tell me what i don't know.
So what you're trying to tell me is that you can't be overrated if you're the greatest?No-one has explained to me how the <Censored> bulls won 55 in 1994? You would've thought the bulls would collapse. How many games did the bulls drop from the previous season? 2 games.And that was with MJ being replaced with a CBA player.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Mar 2 2006, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So what you're trying to tell me is that you can't be overrated if you're the greatest?No-one has explained to me how the <Censored> bulls won 55 in 1994? You would've thought the bulls would collapse. How many games did the bulls drop from the previous season? 2 games.And that was with MJ being replaced with a CBA player.</div> This has to be the most retarded debate in BBW history. Who cares if the Bulls won a lot of games that year, my god.
Lol, how any people have i come across who say MJ carried the bulls and without him they were nothing?
Bulls 1994 - Jordan out - 50 winsBulls 1995 - Jordan out injury - 47 winsBulls 1996 - Jordan back - 70 wins
Ah, i love you Jordan fanboys. You guys are even worse that laker fan boys, atleast we can realise it was more than Kobe and Shaq. MJ gave the whole team a boost but you're forgetting one guy. Dennis rodman. He's rebounding and defense helped the bulls to win 72 games. I want a proper answer to this How do the bulls who replace MJ with a CBA player still manage to win 55 games?
