Is Rick Santorum Electable?

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  1. BLAZER PROPHET

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    That's a very good post.

    I think at the end of the day Obama beats either Mit or Santorum.
     
  2. MARIS61

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    If Paul was elected President it would be because voters were completely fed up with both parties and he was the only alternative. Neither party's reps would support anything he attempted to change and he would accomplish absolutely nothing without their support.

    That said, I may still vote for him simply because I've been offered no alternative candidate who believes in The Constitution and The Bill of Rights, he's not a warmonger nor empire builder, and he's seemingly the only honest candidate running.

    The biggest mistake the Dems have made is rubberstamping Obama as the only option, despite many qualified candidates who could realistically have a better chance of winning. The party is completely denying their voters their right to elect their chosen representative.

    Given a decent choice of candidates to vote for in primaries (the most important step in our "elective" process) I doubt Obama would win. Clinton would absolutely crush him if she ran, and I expect she will get many write-in votes in primaries.

    As for Santorum and Romney, one's an obvious Neanderthal and the other is an obviously corrupt puppet for hire.

    No Real American would consider either for a second.
     
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    Nonsense.

    Our "official" foreign policy with Iran has not changed significantly since the Carter administration (Reagan was exposed for illegally selling weapons to them on the condition they NOT release American hostages when Carter had them about to do so).

    Not that Iran's oil has any significant effect on US gas prices anyway.

    Iran produces about 5% of the world's oil, and consumes about 1/3 of that itself. Iranian oil exports represent about 3% of the world market.
     
  4. Denny Crane

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    Nonsense.
     
  5. MARIS61

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    Nonsense.

    My post was fact. Sorry if it rained on your charade parade.
     
  6. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Your post is untrue and ignorant of the facts.

    For example, it isn't so much what % of anyone's oil Iran produces, it's Iran's threat to block the Strait of Hormuz that has people worried about future access to oil.
     
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    Nobody on Earth takes that empty talk seriously. They do not have the naval or military capability to block The Little Deschutes River, let alone the Strait of Hormuz. Even if the US ignored them Israel could sink Iran's entire navy in an afternoon.

    Iran, like North Korea, has never been a player, they're a diversion used by politicians and fatcats to keep you scared.

    It appears to be working quite well in your case.
     
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    keep grasping at straws and rooting against America Denny... we're used to it

    STOMP
     
  9. Denny Crane

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    They do have the ability to sink ships that are in the gulf, and that would block it.

    Even Hillary finds their threats "troubling."
     
  10. Denny Crane

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    You made a bogus claim and were called on it. And this is the best you got?
     
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    He told you the quite obvious truth and you denied it but failed to offer a rebuttal.

    That the best you got?

    You being a lawyer and all we expect you to present EVIDENCE once in awhile, or at least offer a stirring debate.

    Maybe you better call in Alan Shore to save your ass.:dunno:
     
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    Teenagers find acne "troubling".

    Iran knows if they sink one ship either Israel or the US will completely destroy their entire navy. It ain't much but it's all they've got. Closing the strait would also cut off 80% of their income, at a time when sanctions have devalued their currency by 50%.

    It's not practical for them, not profitable for them, and not something they will do.

    And BTW, they have made no threat to do so.

    http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/29/iran-what-is-it-thinking/
     
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    Just wow.

    From your own link:

    Threats to close the strategic Strait of Hormuz are followed by refusals to allow U.N. nuclear inspectors access to certain sites in the country.
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    The threats to close and mine the Strait of Hormuz, through which a high percentage of the world's oil supply passes through, were all bluster, Molavi said.
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    I've never heard of this Molavi guy. I'm sure we should listen to him.

    Don't stay on this site too long or you'll get more brain damaged:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/23/iran-strait-of-hormuz_n_1223414.html

    The EU decision taken Monday in Brussels – following the U.S. lead to target Iran's critical oil exports – opened a new front against Iran's leadership. Pressure is bearing down on the clerical regime from many directions, including intense U.S. lobbying to urge Asian powers to shun Iranian crude, a nose-diving national currency and a recent slaying in what Iran calls a clandestine campaign against its nuclear establishment.

    In response, Iranian officials have turned to one of their most powerful cards: The narrow Strait of Hormuz at the mouth of the Gulf and the route for a fifth of the world's oil. Iran has rattled world markets with repeated warnings it could block the hook-shaped waterway, which could spark a conflict in the Gulf.

    (you wanted lawyerly proof)

    Big difference between "they never made no threat to do so" (who learned you grammar?) and "repeated warnings it could block the hook-shaped waterway."
     
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    desperation is a stinky cologne

    Keep praying for that $12 a gallon gas 6 months from now

    STOMP
     
  15. Denny Crane

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    Maybe not $12, but they're talking of $6 soon enough.

    Rising fuel costs hit the economy hard. Airfares are already increased. Shipping costs will go up. The cost of food in the supermarkets will increase as the cost of fuel to deliver to the stores is passed on. Not a good thing in a weak recovery when wages are stagnant.

    Good luck wishing it all away.
     
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    lol... so basically you're admitting you were full of shit. Situation normal

    STOMP
     
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    I'm the one laughing. There's a saying that when the facts aren't on your side, bang the table.

    You're thumping it.
     
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    bluefrog Go Blazers, GO!

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    To be fair you did shift the goal post, Denny.
     
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    not likely. demand is crashing at $4.
     
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    I commute from Vancouver to Milwaukie. Whenever gas hits $4 the traffic level drops about 20-25% and I sail into work and home.
     

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