Is Westboro Baptist Church A "Hate Group"?

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  1. MARIS61

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    Heaven and hell exist only here on Earth, and hell only exists through the actions of hateful people like these.
     
  2. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Sure you were. You were convinced by Israel. You should read your own links. None of the quotes which were made before Cheney forced the CIA to cook its books about WMDs, fooling a few Democrats, advocated a land war in Iraq.

     
  3. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    D'oh.

    "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
    -- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

    Cheney wasn't in office in 1998, and hadn't been for 5 years.

    None of the quotes made before Bush/Cheney. My ass.
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Your ass is grass. What I said is correct. That Clinton quote threatening a little air strike doesn't advocate an Army invasion, much less a Bush-scale 10-year war. Hmm, what was the context in Feb 1998...Why did Clinton talk tough...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Desert_Scorpion_(Iraq_1998)

    A single division. It was a negotiating ploy.
     
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  5. Denny Crane

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    You're confused.

    Clinton and his diplomats unequivocally declared that Saddam possessed and sought more WMDs.
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    But they never seriously planned to invade. All they did was enforce the no-fly zone and send one missile, rarely.

    The quotes simply backed up the limited action that was already happening. Not until a month or two before Bush invaded did faked intelligence swim in a few morons' heads.
     
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    i swear to god i was going to post

    in before maxie posts "i defend their right etc"

    should have lol
     
  9. Denny Crane

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    They never planned to invade? They invaded Kuwait. They fought a bloody war with Iran for years. They amassed troops on the border with Saudi Arabia to invade there, too. So there's history, and there's your word for it?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act
     
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    No silly, I said that the Clinton administration occasionally had big words, but wouldn't have started a massive stupid land war as Bush did.
     
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    Clinton bombed Iraq for 3 days and hundreds of thousands of bombs.

    During the time Lewinski was scheduled to testify to the special prosecutor. On the very day(s).

    So either he lied about the WMDs to divert attention from Lewinski's testimony (something I wouldn't believe, honestly) or he believed there were WMDs. If he believed there were WMDs, then HIS Intel agencies were telling him that.
     
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    So you don't believe all those articles leaked by the CIA complaining that Cheney moved CIA people around to get the desired results about WMDs. Cool.
     
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    Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act, or don't you believe the public and congressional records?

    I think there were a dozen reasons they wanted Saddam out. Bush named quite a few, mostly humanitarian, in his State of the Union speech prior to the invasion.
     
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    Profits for Big Oil is the only reason America goes to war.
     
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    What oil profits were to be had in Kosovo?
     
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    I have never been able to understand people that believe there were no WMD's in Iraq....unless you don't believe that mustard gas and tabun gas are not WMD's. Saddam used chemical weapons on the Kurds within his own borders in the late 1980's. He also used chemical weapons against the Iranians in the early 1980's.

    http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/chemical_warfare_iran_iraq_war.php

    http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/kurds/alliance.html

    http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/kurds/attack.html

    How anyone can believe that maniac got rid of all of his stash of chemical weapons is beyond me. He was given, what?, 40 days of warning from when the US said they were coming. More than ample time to move the chemicals to Syria.

    We KNOW he had them since the early 80's. Why do some people think that he just gave them up?

    Not a big surprise that the world is now worried that Syria is going to use chemical weapons on their own people.
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I think it's part that the whole reason why we went there changed a couple times, and then nothing ever came of it and no one was held responsible for it.
     
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    That's before the first war. Between the two wars...

    Is it news to you that for years, the UN had hundreds of investigators, including many people handpicked by American intelligence, searching every place in Iraq they could think of, including military bases?

    Did you know that once the U.S. took possession of Iraq, a whole new search was done for 2-3 years, this time 100% by Americans, mostly military?

    Are you aware that the ideologues who had staked their State Dept and Defense Dept reputations on WMDs were humiliated and then pointed fingers, claiming that everyone had been "fooled," not just them? Where have you been?
     
  19. MARIS61

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    WMD's.

    Everybody's got 'em, especially the US, so realize they are a red herring having no real part in the decision to overthrow countries.

    Every war the US has started or participated in during my lifetime has been waged solely to steal oil fields and install puppet governments to guarantee US access to oil fields. Our military has been built for this singular purpose.
     
  20. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    I think I remember that movie.....The Drilling Fields.
     

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