It's official...Warren to the BP

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  1. yankeesince59

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    ...well Capuano is not the only one in the pen who can be replaced. And he's actually been a little better since the demotion.
     
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    ...that may be the only way it happens, tote. Because evidently the powers that be do not have the balls to make the decision themselves.
     
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    The Lincecum analogy is spot on Ron. And this year he started and is going back to the Giants pen any day now.
     
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    A DL stint is exactly what needs to happen with Sabathia right now.
     
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    ...from tote's linked article...this sums it up.

    "Either way the Yankees are rapidly approaching a breaking point with Sabathia. Actually, I’d say they’re already there and have been since Ivan Nova returned and legitimately gave the Yankees five starters better than Sabathia. This is an organizational failure. It’s not on Joe Girardi. It’s on Brian Cashman and perhaps those above him if Hal Steinbrenner & Co. want Sabathia in the rotation because of his contract. Girardi can’t be expected to make the decision and carry out the plan on his own. Not with someone like Sabathia. The brain trust has to be involved.

    For now, Sabathia is not helping the Yankees win games and they don’t have the luxury of giving him time to straighten things out. They’ve already given him too much time. Sabathia is not much of an asset to the Yankees any more, he’s a sunk cost, and if the team wants to put itself in the best position to return to the postseason, he shouldn’t be in the rotation at all. The sooner they’re willing to swallow that pill, the better off they’ll be."
     
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    Anyone facebook friends with Jeff Gillooly (now going by Jeff Stone)? He can use Drew's bat, could be the best production we see from that piece of wood.
     
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    ...fwiw, with his stuff, I actually think Eovaldi would be ideal for the pen...and give one of the starting spots to the starter with the lowest ERA on the staff instead of demoting him...Warren.
     
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    ...yeah, but he'd be as likely to whiff as hit a HR with that bat to the knee.
     
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    Warren being the seventh inning guy is not a bad move if they can make a move a get another half way decent starter in here before the deadline. Shreve, Warren, Betances and Miller would be one hell of a pen and get back to the time when the Yankees were able to shorten a game considerably.
     
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    ...I wondered about another starting pitcher acquisition too...but then you run into the same predicament...who else gets bounced out of the the starting rotation?
     
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    He not only WAS, he's heading back there again & he's making over $17M this season. He was in the pen during the 2012 WS also & came up big. So if a 2 time Cy young winner can do it Sabathia can also.
     
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    Well first there's the obvious. Tanaka, Pineda and Nova have to stay healthy and effective. Without them is really doesn't matter. Eovaldi while frustrating has the stuff that will continue to intrigue management so I don't see him going anywhere rotation wise. One way or another CC is going to be the odd man out and as has been mentioned it will likely be at first a stint on the DL.
     
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    Then next year while it might seem absurd see if anybody wants Sabathia for a year and pay whatever portion of the salary it takes to unload him. They're on the hook for it all anyway so if they can alleviate even a portion of it while disposing of the headache it would be worth it. See if the Indians want to turn back the clock or something.
     
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    ...I've read about that scenario but can they legally put CC on the DL if there's nothing wrong with him?...or do they simply pretend there is?

    ...and unless the Yanx can acquire a real difference maker before the trade deadline and if CC is in fact destined for the DL/BP anyway, I'd just as soon keep Warren where he belongs.
     
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    ...I believe the Yanx are also on the hook for a vested option for 2017 predicated on how much if any time CC spends on the DL next year...plus I think he has a NTC....could be wrong.
     
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    Can always pretend. Other teams certainly do it. Plus, if checked all these guys would have some inflamation so technically the team doctor wouldn't be lying. I actually just checked to see how Severino was doing in AAA since being promoted. He's 3-0 with a 1.73 era.
     
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    Can buy it out for $5 million which they would almost certainly do.
     
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    " $25M Vesting Option, $5M Buyout 2017 salary guaranteed if he 1) does not end 2016 on the disabled list with a left shoulder injury, 2) does not spend more than 45 days in 2016 on the disabled list with a left shoulder injury or 3) does not make more than six relief appearances in 2016 because of a left shoulder injury"

    ...I'm reading that as quite possibly guaranteed money for 2017...who knows?...that last stipulation seems very odd to me.
     
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    Is it just me or does #3 make no sense?
     

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