I've seen Bird, Magic, Jordan, & Kobe play, IMO LeBron is the G.O.A.T

Thanks, See I think many believe the same from LBJ.. Take away Wade, Bosch and Love ( and a couple years of Irving) and he had garbage too. So it could be stated that LBJ gets the most out of those around him as well, or takes garbage players far.

I would consider Harper/Paxon/Armstrong a better secondary core than LBJ has had. Would you? It isn't very clear though. Looks to be close by the eye test.

Also, yes. LBJ has never played for a coach like Jackson. IF LBJ had Jackson, would his role players perform better?

 

I think all we need to know about Jordan's teammates we learned during the 1993-1994 season before Horace Grant left. With some guy named Pete Myers filling in for Jordan that Bulls team won 55 games, and took the Eastern Conference champion Knicks to 7 games. Those guys played some damn good ball that season without Jordan. Now obviously Jordan put them over the top into championship territory, but that was a strong playoff team without Jordan.

 

Crap. Forgot about Horace Grant Too. Yeah I think its clear that Jordan had more talent around him.

 

I guess I don’t think Armstrong and Paxson etc were very good. BJ went to Golden State after the Bulls and was garbage (I was there). Kerr, Pax, Cartwright etc...role players.

And as for having a HOF coach - that’s the thing...would Lebron let himself get coached by an alpha dog? Or does he just want guys who let him run timeouts and make personnel decisions. As competitive and brilliant as MJ was, he let Phil coach him

 

Paxson and Cartwright never played with Rodman, Kerr, and Kukoc. I don't know if you meant that or not.

 

You are right. My bad. But you see what I meant. Those 5 years they always lost to Houston and SA. I remember it because I hated them but I could always count on losses in Texas.

 

And Dwade never played with Love.

I didnt. I just meant surrounded by throughout thier careers.

 

DWade was a Cav not long ago....not sure if he and Love played on court together but they were on the same team

 

If they did it was for a few games at most. That's symantics man.

Okay let me use Bosch instead.... Bosch never played with Love or Irving.

I think you are missing the point.

 

Totally agree. NO ONE has done more with less around him.

 

Kobe isn’t a player of the 90s, he was drafted in ‘96. He is a player of the ‘00s.

To illustrate my point: 55+ win teams between 96-2010.

1997 - Bulls 69 wins; Heat 61, Knicks 57 , Hawks 56
Jazz, Rockets, Seattle, Lakers
1998 Sonics, Lakers, Suns, Jazz, Spurs, Bulls, Pacers
1999 - lockout
2000 - Pacers, Blazers, Lakers
2001 - Sixers, Spurs, Lakers
2002 - Spurs, Mavs, Kings, Lakers
2003 - Spurs, Mavs, Kings
2004 - Pacers, Wolves, Spurs, Lakers
2005 - Heat, Sun, Spurs, Mavs
2006 - Pistons, Spurs, Mavs
2007 - Suns, Mavs, Spurs
2008 - Celtics, Pistons, Spurs, Lakers, Hornets
2009 - Celts, Cavs, Magic, Lakers
2010 - Cavs, Magic, Lakers

Kobe wasn’t exactly going up against the toughest slate of opponents either, so if you’re knocking competition, you have to knock Kobe as well.

Kobe also was going up against those teams, which were better earlier in his career, with the benefit of Shaq.

 

Love and Wade probably played a little less than half the season together this year.

 

Sure, LeBron can play some Center in today's game, but he couldn't get away with it in MJ's era. So, for fair comparison purposes, LeBron gets 4 positions to his credit. MJ could play PG-SG-SF just as capably as LeBron, and probably has enough size and athleticism to play some PF in today's era. That's not a huge edge to LeBron in versatility. It's more a measure of how today's game has become position-less.

 

I've seen London, I've seen France.... I've seen Slypokerdog's underpants.

(It was the S2 company party - he apparently likes to get naked and streak through Denny's mansion.)

 

What a dumb post.
But I'm glad you told me Kobe wasn't in the 90's wow amazing. How do I not know that..

All of the teams I listed during the 90's in the East were stronger competition for MJ than LBJ has gone through his entire career.
But I'm glad you ignored that part of the post and assumed I was saying Kobe's era was in the 90's.

If you really believe the teams during shaq and kobe/gasol and kobe are more less competitive than the teams LBJ has had to face.
Then you're posts are pretty insignificant.

 

...and all of the Blazers are off the graph in the lower left quadrant!

 

90 - Celtics only 55+ win team in the east. (Excluding Bulls)
91- cavaliers
92 - knicks
93 - knicks / hawks (mj didn’t play)
94 - magic (mj didn’t play til later)
95 - magic
96 - heat, knicks, hawks
97 - Pacers

I fail to see the grueling schedule MJ played in the 90s. The most competitive year was 96. So once again, competition wasn’t the greatest - and when it was, in the 80s, he never won a chip.

In fact, the teams he even faced in the finals weren’t spectacular. A depleted Lakers team for his first, beat us for his second where we had Clyde Drexler and no one close to a prime Pippen.

You still haven’t stated why you think competition for Kobe was so superior. I gave you the teams that he primarily played against and how good they are.

Frankly if you can’t win 55+ games; you’re not that good.

Based on the content of your posts, it’s interesting that you choose to use words like ‘dumb’ and ‘insignificant’ to describe my posts, which are clearly superior in content and quality to that of yours, as mine contain actual evidence, logic, numbers and reasoning. People lie, numbers don’t. However, it is not my job to correct posts showing extreme ignorance, lack of intelligence, or the capability or capacity to correct these inherent flaws within.

So, have a nice day.

 

It's worth remembering how old LeBron is while he's doing this. He won ROY in '04. Winner in '03? Amare Stoudamire (also a high schooler). Winner in '05? Emeka Okafor.
LeBron came in with Carmelo and Dwyane Wade, both of whom should retire.

 

I dont know what that means. I am dumb. You know this. I love pictures, but they need a statement for me to understand.