Re: Iverson's best fit <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRob-50-Forever @ Dec 8 2006, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How about to Denver with Ollie for Camby, Miller, and Hodge?</div>Denver should not give up Camby at all. If they did, who would start at center? Nene is out, K-Mart is out, Najera is too undersized, Evans is not a center, etc. No way that happens. Plus, Julius Hodge is a gangbanger and a joke.Philly needs to deal him for young players, picks, and cap space. Which is why Boston is probably the best trading partner.
Re: Iverson's best fit <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Dec 8 2006, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>CelticsCeltics Give: Al Jefferson, Delonte West, Sebastian TelfairSixers Give: Allen Iverson and Steven HunterLineup for CelticsPG Allen Iverson/Rajon RondoSG: Paul Pierce/Tony Allen/Allan RaySF: Ryan Gomes/Gerald Green/Brian ScalabrinePF: Theo Ratliff/Steven Hunter/Leon Powe (Powe/Hunter is a toss up)C: Kendrick Perkins/Michael OlowokandiLineup for SixersPG: Sebastian Telfair/Delonte West/Kevin OllieSG: Kyle Korver/Willie Green/Rodney CarneySF: Andre Iguodala/Steven Smith/Bobby JonesPF: Chris Webber/Al Jefferson/Alan HendersonC: Samual Dalembert/Shavlik Randolph/Ivan McFarlinto be honest I don't know much about the 76ers outside of the starting lineup so if I'm wrong with my 2nd and 3rd string players correct me</div>Stop it with the ideas of AI coming to Boston, it's absurd and shouldn't even be in our minds. Wouldn't you rather have Brandan Wright, Oden, or Durant? Why trade our young talent for someone who won't bring us to the ECF, AND is 31 years old AND in a 20 mill/year contract? Oh yeah and Philly would never do that deal..Ever.
Re: Iverson's best fit <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Trifekta @ Dec 8 2006, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stop it with the ideas of AI coming to Boston, it's absurd and shouldn't even be in our minds. Wouldn't you rather have Brandan Wright, Oden, or Durant? Why trade our young talent for someone who won't bring us to the ECF, AND is 31 years old AND in a 20 mill/year contract? Oh yeah and Philly would never do that deal..Ever.</div>How are you not getting that Boston is probably the BEST trading partner? Philly needs to rebuild with young players, picks, and cap space. Boston is the perfect fit, and we have young players at positions they need!And you are talking about getting a top pick... um... they still will have their own.
Re: Iverson's best fit Im going with Boston:Boston has the money and AInge is hunting for a superstar or all-star beside PP34. THis is his perfect chance. He tried getting AI in the summer, he tried KG,Marion, and Gasol.Allen IversonShavlik RandoplhforSebastian TelfairWally SzczerbiakRajon RondoTony Allen1st Round PickLineups:BOSIverson/West/RayPierce/Ray/GreenGomes/Green/RayJefferson/Scalabrine/GomesPerkins/Ratliff/JeffersonPHITelfair/Rondo/OllieIggy/Carney/AllenSzczerbiak/Korver/CarneyWebber/Henderson/HunterDalembert/Hunter/Henderson
Re: Iverson's best fit <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Trifekta @ Dec 8 2006, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stop it with the ideas of AI coming to Boston, it's absurd and shouldn't even be in our minds. Wouldn't you rather have Brandan Wright, Oden, or Durant? Why trade our young talent for someone who won't bring us to the ECF, AND is 31 years old AND in a 20 mill/year contract? Oh yeah and Philly would never do that deal..Ever.</div>yeah wait a whole nother year for unproven talent and give up the chance for a hall of famer still in his prime
Re: Iverson's best fit <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinoy Balla @ Dec 8 2006, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Im going with Boston:Boston has the money and AInge is hunting for a superstar or all-star beside PP34. THis is his perfect chance. He tried getting AI in the summer, he tried KG,Marion, and Gasol.Allen IversonShavlik RandoplhforSebastian TelfairWally SzczerbiakRajon RondoTony Allen1st Round PickLineups:BOSIverson/West/RayPierce/Ray/GreenGomes/Green/RayJefferson/Scalabrine/GomesPerkins/Ratliff/JeffersonPHITelfair/Rondo/OllieIggy/Carney/AllenSzczerbiak/Korver/CarneyWebber/Henderson/HunterDalembert/Hunter/Henderson</div>That's giving up to much. They can't mortgage the whole furture for AI. I don't want them to give up Rondo and a first. West instead of Rondo I think and no first.
Re: Iverson's best fit <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Dec 8 2006, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How are you not getting that Boston is probably the BEST trading partner? Philly needs to rebuild with young players, picks, and cap space. Boston is the perfect fit, and we have young players at positions they need!And you are talking about getting a top pick... um... they still will have their own.</div>I am willing to bet good money, and a sig saying RF#1 Is a complete idiot and bastard if this deal goes on. This is the way I look at it.It depends on Billy King, If he is not looking for a good player in return, then you guys are completely right.IMO, he has the get something good in return mentality, in which I think he does have, and is willing to negotiate, I think he could get a real good deal. I was thinking Bibby and Miller and maybe Abdur Rahim for Iverson and Willie Green, along those lines. The Sixers need to benefit, in some way.
Re: Iverson's best fit <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Dec 8 2006, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I am willing to bet good money, and a sig saying RF#1 Is a complete idiot and bastard if this deal goes on. This is the way I look at it.It depends on Billy King, If he is not looking for a good player in return, then you guys are completely right.IMO, he has the get something good in return mentality, in which I think he does have, and is willing to negotiate, I think he could get a real good deal. I was thinking Bibby and Miller and maybe Abdur Rahim for Iverson and Willie Green, along those lines. The Sixers need to benefit, in some way.</div>Benefiting in this situation means either:<ul>[*]Getting a player (or package of players) that can elevate the 76ers into a championship contender right now.[/list]OR<ul>[*]Getting young players, expiring contracts and draft picks to speed up the rebuilding process.[/list]How does it benefit the Sixers to acquire players or a package that keeps them in mediocrity? If they wanted to stay where they were then they would keep Iverson because he fills the seats... not necessarily in Philly anymore (because we suck at the moment), but on the road. And teams get revenue from ticket sales on the road.
Re: Iverson's best fit <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Dec 8 2006, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Benefiting in this situation means either:<ul>[*]Getting a player (or package of players) that can elevate the 76ers into a championship contender right now.[/list]OR<ul>[*]Getting young players, expiring contracts and draft picks to speed up the rebuilding process.[/list]How does it benefit the Sixers to acquire players or a package that keeps them in mediocrity? If they wanted to stay where they were then they would keep Iverson because he fills the seats... not necessarily in Philly anymore (because we suck at the moment), but on the road. And teams get revenue from ticket sales on the road.</div>What do you do in a rebuilding process BigMo? You rebuild around someone, in this case if the trade goes down, you have no one at all, literary speaking. No team has ever rebuild anything unless around a star. Thats the key in a rebuilding process, something to BUILD AROUND. In this case, what does the Sixers have to build around?
Re: Iverson's best fit <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinoy Balla @ Dec 8 2006, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Im going with Boston:Boston has the money and AInge is hunting for a superstar or all-star beside PP34. THis is his perfect chance. He tried getting AI in the summer, he tried KG,Marion, and Gasol.Allen IversonShavlik RandoplhforSebastian TelfairWally SzczerbiakRajon RondoTony Allen1st Round PickLineups:BOSIverson/West/RayPierce/Ray/GreenGomes/Green/RayJefferson/Scalabrine/GomesPerkins/Ratliff/JeffersonPHITelfair/Rondo/OllieIggy/Carney/AllenSzczerbiak/Korver/CarneyWebber/Henderson/HunterDalembert/Hunter/Henderson</div> Thats way too much, the Celtics lose all their depth...yilkes.
Re: Iverson's best fit <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Dec 8 2006, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What do you do in a rebuilding process BigMo? You rebuild around someone, in this case if the trade goes down, you have no one at all, literary speaking. No team has ever rebuild anything unless around a star. Thats the key in a rebuilding process, something to BUILD AROUND. In this case, what does the Sixers have to build around?</div>Iggy. He is coming along nicely. If he was given a bigger role in the offense he could start to become a star. He is already their on D.
Re: Iverson's best fit <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRob-50-Forever @ Dec 8 2006, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Iggy. He is coming along nicely. If he was given a bigger role in the offense he could start to become a star. He is already their on D.</div>Im telling yall, if Iggy was "the guy" in Philly, he would het 17+ppg and 4apg. Not to mention is his D^like he said. I mean, hes pretty underrated in my book.
Re: Iverson's best fit <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Dec 8 2006, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I disagree about Chicago. They need an inside presence, not a perimiter player with average defense that won't play in the flow of Skiles' offense. Of course they have the best young team in the NBA, but Gordon is overrated and they have a great young core going with cohesiveness.Utah, no. Why mess with something that is going so well?</div>I know they need an inside presence, so Iverson isn't the first thing to go after. But they could use a reliable and consistent number one option. Chances are they don't get their interior scorer, but Iverson would work there.Utah might just want a big scorer at like All-Star Break to keep the success rate going up. You see it in baseball all of the time, a contender trades young players for a impact player in hope of winning the World Series.
Re: Iverson's best fit <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRob-50-Forever @ Dec 8 2006, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Iggy. He is coming along nicely. If he was given a bigger role in the offense he could start to become a star. He is already their on D.</div>Hows he coming along? I agree he is getting better, but I feel that he wont achieve all star level. He is getting 40 mins a game, and your telling me he is going to emerge as a leader all of a sudden? Why take a risk? Why not get something good for Iverson, a young player, and a good first rounder? Sounds pretty good to me.
Re: Iverson's best fit Im going to give it another shot this time with the Nuggets since their is talk about them.Allen IversonWillie GreenforAndre MillerKenyon MartinJR Smith1st Round PickWhy for Denver? They have 2 of the best scorers in the League on their team. Kenyon Martin gone it will free up minutes for Nene. Martin and Karl's relationship is terrible and this could solve the problem.Why for Philly? You get a veteran PG that will dish to the open man and will get Iggy and Korver's scoring better by giving them good looks. JR Smith is a young athletic swingman that would be in the starting role with Iggy. Korver and K-Mart off the bench would be huge because both are 6th man of the year material. Webber is pissed about his role and with his minutes decreasing K-Mart can fill in.LineupsHIMiller/Ollie/WilliamsSmith/Carney/IggyIggy/Korver/CarneyWebber/K-Mart/RandoplhDalembert/Hunter/HendersonDENIverson/BoykinsAnthony/Johnson/HodgeNajera/Hodge/JohnsonNene/Evans/SmithCamby/Smith
Re: Iverson's best fit <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Dec 8 2006, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hows he coming along? I agree he is getting better, but I feel that he wont achieve all star level. He is getting 40 mins a game, and your telling me he is going to emerge as a leader all of a sudden? Why take a risk? Why not get something good for Iverson, a young player, and a good first rounder? Sounds pretty good to me.</div>Iggy does so much more than you think. People really underrate his scoring ability, he is able to get 17+ a night IMO. His shooting has improved so much, but playing with AI doesn't really help much. Iggy is out in a role to defend the opposing superstar, so thats where alotve of his stamina goes into. If Cheeks asked him to be more of a scorer, he would score for Philly. I think he will defiently be a star one day in his career.
Re: Iverson's best fit <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Dec 8 2006, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What do you do in a rebuilding process BigMo? You rebuild around someone, in this case if the trade goes down, you have no one at all, literary speaking. No team has ever rebuild anything unless around a star. Thats the key in a rebuilding process, something to BUILD AROUND. In this case, what does the Sixers have to build around?</div>Yes, and in our situation at the moment nobody in this league is going to give us the type of player to build around, are they? Please tell me who would be willing to trade for Iverson and give us a player we can build around? Nobody that I can think of... and it has to be a realistic possibility. This is what I have been trying to say all along.In the 76ers' situation, we have to see what kind of player Iguodala is... if he isn't a first-option type of player, then we'll try to acquire a face-of-the-franchise guy through the draft or FA in the summer of 2008.Yes, Iggy is vastly underrated. He doesn't score a lot for us, but he is literally a triple-double threat every time he steps onto the court. He has improved his playmaking this season as well. His defense is underrated too because our team defense sucks so bad. Just like an offensive player can't really shine if he doesn't have capable offensive threats around him, a defensive player can't shine if he doesn't have a decent team defense around him.
Re: Iverson's best fit <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Dec 8 2006, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, and in our situation at the moment nobody in this league is going to give us the type of player to build around, are they? Please tell me who would be willing to trade for Iverson and give us a player we can build around? Nobody that I can think of... and it has to be a realistic possibility. This is what I have been trying to say all along.In the 76ers' situation, we have to see what kind of player Iguodala is... if he isn't a first-option type of player, then we'll try to acquire a face-of-the-franchise guy through the draft or FA in the summer of 2008.Yes, Iggy is vastly underrated. He doesn't score a lot for us, but he is literally a triple-double threat every time he steps onto the court. He has improved his playmaking this season as well. His defense is underrated too because our team defense sucks so bad. Just like an offensive player can't really shine if he doesn't have capable offensive threats around him, a defensive player can't shine if he doesn't have a decent team defense around him.</div> lol why are we arguing in 2 differant threads about the same thing?But in that sense, how will the face of franchsie player fair next draft, even if you get a top 5 pick? Bigmo what your suggesting takes alot of gambling ang risks. The result of this can go both ways; The sixers pick up a player like Oden, or they get a number 7 pick "hopeful", in that case were do the Sixers go if he doesn't produce ? They can trade anymore because the remaining value in Iverson left, Whats next? Selling the team?
Re: Iverson's best fit <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Dec 8 2006, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>lol why are we arguing in 2 differant threads about the same thing?But in that sense, how will the face of franchsie player fair next draft, even if you get a top 5 pick? Bigmo what your suggesting takes alot of gambling ang risks. The result of this can go both ways; The sixers pick up a player like Oden, or they get a number 7 pick "hopeful", in that case were do the Sixers go if he doesn't produce ? They can trade anymore because the remaining value in Iverson left, Whats next? Selling the team?</div>There is always gambling and risks involved in professional sports. If there was a sure-fire 100% correct way to go about building a championship team then the entire league would be better, but it isn't because there is no sure-fire way to build a championship team.
