Jake Layman

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  1. Scalma

    Scalma Well-Known Member

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    I don’t even want him, I just listed him since he’s been mentioned. My biggest issue with Ariza is that he fits the way we currently play, but we need someone that would force a change in gameplan.
     
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    oldmangrouch persona non grata

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    Expiring contract. If you could convince them to take Hark or Turner for him, you grab that deal and run before they can change their minds.
     
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    Yeah exactly, I am still of the opinion that if you can trade Harkless, Turner, or Leonard for an expiring contract you do it no matter who the player coming back is.
     
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    does very little for our long term cap outlook. We need to remove two of those contracts to be of any significance.
     
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    Well I doubt that there are many deals for expiring contracts that involve multiple bad contracts going out so we most likely have to start with one somewhere.

    I also think that no matter how "little" it seemingly effects the future, any deal that Olshey can tell current ownership that will help save future money would likely get approved.
     
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    I like that Jake gave Stotts a subtle FU with his play last night. Incredible efficiency even if it was the Suns.
     
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    I was listening to the Rip City radio broadcast coming home last night. Kudos to the guy who asked Terry about why we haven't seen Layman? But Terry did say that Layman is accepting his role not playing on the bench. Don't know how. I think'd I'd be ripping the bench out and throwing it at him at this point.
     
  8. riverman

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    Jake is a keeper...it's possible he knows that...guys playing in front of him might be just playing mostly to gain trade value at the break...now is that time of the season. He may know someone like Mo or ET are on the block...hard to say.
     
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    I don’t know, I’m gonna be pretty surprised if pdx makes any trade at all, unless it’s strictly to clear money off the books to make us look better to a new owner from a financial standpoint, but then again I don’t see that happening considering I don’t think anyone is touching et/harmless/nards.
     
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    Lot of teams like the Wizards and Bulls are looking to move players ..I think this trade deadline will be very active and we'll see a lot of change...too many teams that thought they were there have learned they're not...Rockets, Celtics...I don't think it has anything to do with Paul Allen's passing but a lot to do with Olshey wanting to keep his job
     
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    With a valuation at over $1B, I don't think a $10M (or even $17M) contract is going to be a deal-breaker for anyone.
     
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    kjironman1 Hoops didn't like my other Slogan!

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    Especially this year. Why on earth not? It not only helps payroll it makes things better faster for any possible changes in store for the team in the coming months.
     
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    kjironman1 Hoops didn't like my other Slogan!

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    I disagree. One solid player helps this team immensely. One expiring contract can help get one solid player. If they make another deal on another for another expiring contract then you never know.
     
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    kjironman1 Hoops didn't like my other Slogan!

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    The only question i got there is how much does Olshey really want to keep his job?
     
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    kjironman1 Hoops didn't like my other Slogan!

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    This is what i'm thinking also. Not only is there so much up in the air but we simply do not know the dynamics going on behind the scenes. Why certain players are being played and why others are not. Who can say what strings are being pulled by whom?
     
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    I really like to use stats to buttress arguments

    however, they need to be like for like and in the NBA, one of the quickest ways to get into an apples and oranges thing is to try and 'normalize' minutes for players that play a lot and for players that don't.

    In this case, you have Layman who has only averaged 16 minutes and are comparing him to Ariza at 34 minutes, Porter at 30 minutes, and Oubre at 25. Those are too wide of gaps in minutes, and it's almost certain there is noise and skew in the numbers

    there's a couple of other factors too that I think are really important to keep in mind. One is that Layman has been absent from the rotation lately when the Blazers, as a team, have been struggling. If he had been in the rotation his efficiency and advanced numbers would have regressed along with the team's

    another big factor is that the other three players have established their games over multiple seasons. This isn't their first rodeo. Their numbers are a reflection of how they've played over a thousand games and 30,000 minutes (Ariza), 300 games and 10,000 minutes (Porter), and 270 games and 5400 minutes (Oubre)

    meanwhile, you're comparing that to Layman this season for only 20 games and 326 minutes. It's just a comparison that erodes under any scrutiny

    further than that, it's nearly impossible to believe or credit the numbers Layman is posting right now:

    * he has a 13.5 PER when the previous two seasons it was 4.9 & 4.9

    * he has a .645 TS% when the previous two seasons it was .404 & .352

    * he has a .106 winshare/48 when the previous two seasons it was -0.054 & -0.021

    * he has a +0.6 box plus/minus when the previous two seasons it was -7.4 & -5.0

    like I said, there should be little confidence in the numbers he's currently posting. He's likely not as bad as the numbers show in his first 2 seasons, but he's certainly not as good as they show right now

    all that's not to say he shouldn't be part of the rotation, especially a rotation that somehow has 'room' for 43 minutes a game from Turner & Curry
     
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    Stop playing @PtldPlatypus It's here:
     
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    That would be a valid argument if the claim was that Layman should be expected to replicate the small sample size values he's provided to date. However, that wasn't the claim. What was said was, "we need to find out what we have in Layman". We don't know whether Layman in a larger role can provide something comparable to what Porter or Oubre presently do, and we won't know until/unless his role is expanded.
     
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    School these rooks on their reading comprehension! :tongue:

    :chestbump:
     
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    That was a long ass post to be out of context!

    So far I like @wizenheimer tho. Thanks for bringing facts to the debate! :cheers:
     
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