jason kidd would be a good PG for the timberwolves but, he is a passer a fastbreak specialst. but he isnt a shooter. and thats what flip saunders wants a shooter. jason kidd can hit a 3 or a 2 but he likes to pass, and thats his game. kidd is also a younger player then sam but sam cassell is at his prime with KG and Latrell Sprewell. sam will probaly retire a couple years before j-kidd does. and sam cassell had 10 years in the NBA he might retire with the wolves
Kidd is much better then Cassell, he has led the Nets to the finals twice in the past 3 seasons and Cassell only did it this year but all with the help of the MVP Garnett.
i dont want to get off topic on you guys but. you gotta give props to Trenton Hasell, Latrell Sprewell, And Fred Hoiberg. they also help alot
Ok Cassel does not need replacing so I dont think we should look to get kidd if it would possibly mean giving up one of our star players. Cassel had a great season for us last year and was a nba all star and nba second team player. Kidd was a all star and nba first team not a big difference there. Kidd had his season come to a close with a injury so did cassel, but his was not as big. Cassel has had two world titles and played well with super stars like KG, Hakem the Dream, Ray Allen and at the time the Big Dog. Jason Kidd on the other hand has also played with great players like K-mart and RJ, but does players were never as developed as kidd was and kidd's leadership of the team was never questioned. Who are we to say how well kidd would fit into a program where he is not the vocal point of the offense and it is a already setup thing with good players in it. Kidd also has a huge contract and it last well into the next couple of years though he is great know he has not shown that he will come back from his injury full health and that he will be able to earn his keep. For all we know he could be a grant hill and never play well again. Not to mention his age being a factor as he is now in his thirthy's some will say well so is cassel, but cassel has already proven himself to the wolves and to the nba that he will perform wlel next year kidd there is a if and a but abouth is health. Like Need4Sheed said if it is not broken dont fix it. Our team played well last year because of the fact we were just that a "team". With our leader Garnett keeping us together if we bring in a player like kidd who is to say he will do well with KG he may mess up the chemistry and send us into a drama like payton did with the lakers last season. He would also keep us from making any further moves for a while with his contract. Either way you look at it cassel really is not that far behind kidd if we match them up in a game they would cancel each other out. WHy trade one that has already proven he can do well in your system for another just to have the same player with no chemistry.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Zero22:</div><div class="quote_post">i dont want to get off topic on you guys but. you gotta give props to Trenton Hasell, Latrell Sprewell, And Fred Hoiberg. they also help alot</div> Who hasen't given them props? Hassell's defense was amazing, without Hoiberg's outside shooting we would have been horrible from behind the arc, and Sprewell is a huge part of our team, part of the Big 3.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J-Roc:</div><div class="quote_post">Who hasen't given them props? Hassell's defense was amazing, without Hoiberg's outside shooting we would have been horrible from behind the arc, and Sprewell is a huge part of our team, part of the Big 3.</div> Without Hoiberg, the team wouldn't be horrible from behind the arc. They would be weaker but they would still have other great shooter. In my opinion, all 3 of them are underrated defenders. Alot of people have already made good points on this topic. But what exactly is the trade? Cassell has a fairly small contract and trading for Kidd would mean trading more players for him. If the team makes any trades, they should try to get younger players. The team needs more youth. I highly doubt that Jason Kidd will be a Timberwolf in the near futur.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Linkin:</div><div class="quote_post">Without Hoiberg, the team wouldn't be horrible from behind the arc. They would be weaker but they would still have other great shooter. In my opinion, all 3 of them are underrated defenders. Alot of people have already made good points on this topic. But what exactly is the trade? Cassell has a fairly small contract and trading for Kidd would mean trading more players for him. If the team makes any trades, they should try to get younger players. The team needs more youth. I highly doubt that Jason Kidd will be a Timberwolf in the near futur.</div> There is no trade, there isn't even a trade rumor. Kidd wants out of NJ, he presented the management a list where he wants to be traded with reportedly Minnesota, LA Lakers and Dallas on it, that's all there is. I agree with most of the people here, Cassell is the better fit for this team and Kidd would just screw everything up. He's not the right PG for the practised system and in addition his contract is not only quite long but he's injury could be quite serious.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok Cassel does not need replacing so I dont think we should look to get kidd if it would possibly mean giving up one of our star players. Cassel had a great season for us last year and was a nba all star and nba second team player. Kidd was a all star and nba first team not a big difference there. Kidd had his season come to a close with a injury so did cassel, but his was not as big. Cassel has had two world titles and played well with super stars like KG, Hakem the Dream, Ray Allen and at the time the Big Dog. Jason Kidd on the other hand has also played with great players like K-mart and RJ, but does players were never as developed as kidd was and kidd's leadership of the team was never questioned. Who are we to say how well kidd would fit into a program where he is not the vocal point of the offense and it is a already setup thing with good players in it. </div> Kidd's a point guard...the best PG in the NBA I may add. Kidd does not to be the focul point of the offense to be effective. He's not known for being the focul point of his teams offense, he's actually known to be a very unselfish player who makes everyone around him. He's a vet that understands the game what it takes to win, so if he were to join the Wolves, the only downside to it, would be his contract and the possible loss of Cassell. When it comes down to it, he's going to be the guy that helps them over the top.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">Kidd's a point guard...the best PG in the NBA I may add. Kidd does not to be the focul point of the offense to be effective. He's not known for being the focul point of his teams offense, he's actually known to be a very unselfish player who makes everyone around him. He's a vet that understands the game what it takes to win, so if he were to join the Wolves, the only downside to it, would be his contract and the possible loss of Cassell. When it comes down to it, he's going to be the guy that helps them over the top.</div> He may have been the best point guard in the league, but coming off of surgery how well will he rebound? What is to say he will not be the next grant hill? Then the possible players we would have to trade may have a player like a future ben wallace in the deal? Again who are we to say that for sure though? We dont know for sure that he will function well with the guys surrounding him. The wolves are more a half court shooting team then a fast break team which kidd likes to run so how would he fit into that. Not to mention
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">He may have been the best point guard in the league, but coming off of surgery how well will he rebound? What is to say he will not be the next grant hill? Then the possible players we would have to trade may have a player like a future ben wallace in the deal?</div> You're stretching it by saying that he could be the next Grant Hill. Kidd has recovered from various injuries before in recent years and has comeback sucessfully. Although he's getting older, the surgery should not stopped him. His rebounding skills don't have much to do with his knees. It's more about instincts and getting a good read on where the ball is gonna go. Plus he doesn't need to rebound as much with KG pulling 13 a game and Kandi or Ervin pulling down 5. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Again who are we to say that for sure though? We dont know for sure that he will function well with the guys surrounding him. The wolves are more a half court shooting team then a fast break team which kidd likes to run so how would he fit into that. Not to mention</div> Kidd can adapt to anybody on his team easily. His teammates will adapt to him just as easily as he did to them. Although the wolves may not be an uptempo team, neither were the Nets before Kidd arrived. They're very capable of becoming one with their versitile Guards and Forwards in KG, Spree, Wally and Hassell.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">You're stretching it by saying that he could be the next Grant Hill. Kidd has recovered from various injuries before in recent years and has comeback sucessfully. Although he's getting older, the surgery should not stopped him. His rebounding skills don't have much to do with his knees. It's more about instincts and getting a good read on where the ball is gonna go. Plus he doesn't need to rebound as much with KG pulling 13 a game and Kandi or Ervin pulling down 5. </div> Should not stop them, but what if they do? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">Kidd can adapt to anybody on his team easily. His teammates will adapt to him just as easily as he did to them. Although the wolves may not be an uptempo team, neither were the Nets before Kidd arrived. They're very capable of becoming one with their versitile Guards and Forwards in KG, Spree, Wally and Hassell.</div> Why would they want to change the style that got them to the western conference finals to adapt to a point guard who is not that much better than the one you had the year before. Why would you want to start a whole new offensive style? Espically since the playoffs become a half court game. Truth is they dont need kidd if they try to get him there will be to many if's and but's about his game to really have a sure thing. Not to mention the talent they would have to give up to ge thim. I wouldnt do it for a minor upgrade.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">Should not stop them, but what if they do? </div> What if Fisher didn't hit the game winner versus the Spurs? Each time Kidd has came back from a major injury he has always bounced back. I don't think it'll change this time, because he's in very good shape, and is determined unlike somebody Like Webber, who's the same age as him. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Why would they want to change the style that got them to the western conference finals to adapt to a point guard who is not that much better than the one you had the year before. Why would you want to start a whole new offensive style? Espically since the playoffs become a half court game. </div> Not much better than the one they had before? Kidd is <u>the </u> best point Guard in the NBA. The Wolves won't change the style of play, Kidd will. Once he does, the Wolves will find it easy to adapt to it, and they'll play an uptempo game. Also it's not like Kidd is a bad half-court PG, it's just that he's much better on the open court. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Truth is they dont need kidd if they try to get him there will be to many if's and but's about his game to really have a sure thing. Not to mention the talent they would have to give up to ge thim. I wouldnt do it for a minor upgrade.</div> Well the time for them to win is now. They have players who are getting older and not much better. KG will be 29 by the playoffs and right now is as good as it gets. Spree will be 35, Cassell will be 62, Kandi will be 30, so there's not much time left. Kidd will get them a 'ship sooner than later because later might not be an option.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">Not much better than the one they had before? Kidd is <u>the </u> best point Guard in the NBA. The Wolves won't change the style of play, Kidd will. Once he does, the Wolves will find it easy to adapt to it, and they'll play an uptempo game. Also it's not like Kidd is a bad half-court PG, it's just that he's much better on the open court. </div> He is still not much better. He is the best point guard in the league argueable after this injury imo even though he may come back for it. He is past his prime and getting paid way to much money. WHile cassel on the other hand is just like kidd a all star and is nba second team while kidd is first. So what is the upgrade one all star with a cheap contract for another all star with a big contract? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">Well the time for them to win is now. They have players who are getting older and not much better. KG will be 29 by the playoffs and right now is as good as it gets. Spree will be 35, Cassell will be 62, Kandi will be 30, so there's not much time left. Kidd will get them a 'ship sooner than later because later might not be an option.</div> Yes the time is now to win, but they dont need kidd to do it. Like you said the roster is filled with vetern leaders. They can probably get to the finals and win it this year with a player like you said in KG who is as good as they come and spree and cassel. When your main core of players were the highest scoring trio last year and one of those players is a point guard. Why would you wnat to trade for another point guard and risk ruining that chemistry.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">He is still not much better. He is the best point guard in the league argueable after this injury imo even though he may come back for it. He is past his prime and getting paid way to much money. WHile cassel on the other hand is just like kidd a all star and is nba second team while kidd is first. So what is the upgrade one all star with a cheap contract for another all star with a big contract?</div> How can you say he's past his prime? He had a great season last year, and you do not know how he is now after the surgery. In case you haven't noticed Cassell is older and has more problems with his body than Kidd, and will probably not get better, health and skill wise. So I see Cassell on the decline because of his injuries to his back, hip and his age. At this point if I were the Nets, I would much rather have Jason Kidd and his contract than a Sam Cassell thats very likely to be on the decline due to his age and injuries to his back/hip. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes the time is now to win, but they dont need kidd to do it. Like you said the roster is filled with vetern leaders. They can probably get to the finals and win it this year with a player like you said in KG who is as good as they come and spree and cassel. When your main core of players were the highest scoring trio last year and one of those players is a point guard. Why would you wnat to trade for another point guard and risk ruining that chemistry.</div> They haven't done much to improve this summer, where as other teams, like the Spurs have. I see the the Spurs as the front runner for the 'ship, they can't beat them in a 7 game series with their current roster. If the Wolves can't win it this year with their current roster, then I don't believe they can win it within the next few years as well. Kidd will make them the best team in the league IMO, but it all depends on who they give up. As long as its not part of their core at the other posistions (KG, Spree, Hassell), then I definitly see them being front runners for the 'ship for this year and the year after.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">How can you say he's past his prime? He had a great season last year, and you do not know how he is now after the surgery. In case you haven't noticed Cassell is older and has more problems with his body than Kidd, and will probably not get better, health and skill wise. So I see Cassell on the decline because of his injuries to his back, hip and his age. At this point if I were the Nets, I would much rather have Jason Kidd and his contract than a Sam Cassell thats very likely to be on the decline due to his age and injuries to his back/hip.</div> I can say he is past his prime because of all the surgeries for one. Then the fact that he is also very old. Yes Cassel will have injuries as well, but his was not as bad as kidds. Not to mention we have already been throguh cassel's injuries and the team knows what to expect with cassel. While to get Kidd they would have to give up a lot of good players without knowing his condition.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">I can say he is past his prime because of all the surgeries for one. Then the fact that he is also very old. Yes Cassel will have injuries as well, but his was not as bad as kidds. Not to mention we have already been throguh cassel's injuries and the team knows what to expect with cassel. While to get Kidd they would have to give up a lot of good players without knowing his condition.</div> 31 is not very old. Shaq has had numerous surgerys, and he's 32 and is still a top 3 player in the NBA. Cassell is older than Kidd and his injuries will get worse. Kidd on the other hand, injuries can be cured without them coming back because he's in very good shape and is 31. However I do agree that it'll be a risk taking him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">31 is not very old. Shaq has had numerous surgerys, and he's 32 and is still a top 3 player in the NBA. Cassell is older than Kidd and his injuries will get worse. Kidd on the other hand, injuries can be cured without them coming back because he's in very good shape and is 31. However I do agree that it'll be a risk taking him.</div> Shaq has had numerous surgies and is the top player in the league when it comes to dominence, but he is 350 pounds! Kidd is no where near that and kiddd is not seven foot one. To compare the two would not be even really imaginable considering all the differences physically between the two. Then you say kidds injuries can be cured because he is in good shape so is cassel. He probably was in the best shape mentally and physically he has been in since he was part of the Hakeem dynasty in houston. Shaq is not in shape yet his injuries heal as well and like you said he is one of the top nba players imo the most dominate. Then Kidd has also got injuries as well as a huge contract while cassel has had back spasms. If you look at the neagitves out of the two. Kidd contract age injuries team chemistry may be messed up Cassel injury age Looking at all the negative at possibly getting kidd I would much rather stick with cassel. His injuries may get worse if they do at least we can get rid of him through trade do to him not having a big contract. Kidd's injuries dont heal up with the contract he has he will be unmovable.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">Shaq has had numerous surgies and is the top player in the league when it comes to dominence, but he is 350 pounds! Kidd is no where near that and kiddd is not seven foot one. To compare the two would not be even really imaginable considering all the differences physically between the two. Then you say kidds injuries can be cured because he is in good shape so is cassel. He probably was in the best shape mentally and physically he has been in since he was part of the Hakeem dynasty in houston. Shaq is not in shape yet his injuries heal as well and like you said he is one of the top nba players imo the most dominate. Then Kidd has also got injuries as well as a huge contract while cassel has had back spasms. If you look at the neagitves out of the two. </div> The Height, Weight and stature has doesn't matter at all because Shaq is all muscle. To say Shaq is not in shape is not very smart, because the guy is very athletic and is pure muscle. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Then Kidd has also got injuries as well as a huge contract while cassel has had back spasms. If you look at the neagitves out of the two.</div> Cassell also had hip problems, and those spasms and problems caused him to missed the most important games of the season, which required surgery. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Then you say kidds injuries can be cured because he is in good shape so is cassel. He probably was in the best shape mentally and physically he has been in since he was part of the Hakeem dynasty in houston. </div> Cassell was probably in the best shape of his career for about 4/5 of the season. He got worn down when the playoffs came around and his injuries came, which caused him to come out of games and missed , the most important games of the season for his team. When you see that then you know its really serious. On the other hand, Kidd was suppose to miss the rest of the season after his injury, but he played in the playoffs and got his team to game 7 of the semi-finals versus the NBA Champs. It's much harder for Cassell to recover from his injuries at his age than Kidd and his injuries at 31. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Kidd contract age injuries team chemistry may be messed up Cassel injury age Looking at all the negative at possibly getting kidd I would much rather stick with cassel. His injuries may get worse if they do at least we can get rid of him through trade do to him not having a big contract. Kidd's injuries dont heal up with the contract he has he will be unmovable.</div> The team chemistry thing is basically a bunch of bs because Kidd creates chemistry. He attracts his teammates and they react. He's the best PG, and one of the few true Points along with 'Dre and Snow who think Pass first and get your teammates involve. For Cassell his injuries and age are a bigger factor than Kidds injuries and age. Cassell could not play at all when it really mattered in the playoffs. I don't see why that cannot happen again because he's 35 and his injuries will become a bigger factor next year down the road where he gets banged up more and re-aggrivates them. When it comes down to it, Kidd will give the Wolves a 'ship, if they are gonna get one before Cassell does.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">The Height, Weight and stature has doesn't matter at all because Shaq is all muscle. To say Shaq is not in shape is not very smart, because the guy is very athletic and is pure muscle.</div> Sorry I stopped reading your post after this. Ha Shaq pure muscle Shaq was pure muscle when he played for Orlando now he is nothing close to pure muscle. Karl Malone is pure muscle, Kevin Willis is pure muscle, Shaquille Oneal the guy who played for the Magic, then the lakers, now Miami. The guy with three world titles, three finals mvps, one league mvp, and a couple all star mvps. That guy he is not pure muscle. He has been out of shape for a while know why do you think his knees do not hold up? You think guy that is in great shape would have knee problems because of all the extra weight he is carrying because of him being so out of shape? Sorry, but if you think Shaq is pure muscle something is wrong. He was pure muscle in the passed, but those days are long gone. He has taken a huge step this off season into getting into shape, but is still not pure muscle. A guy who is pure muscle does not weigh 350 pounds.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post"> Sorry I stopped reading your post after this. Ha Shaq pure muscle Shaq was pure muscle when he played for Orlando now he is nothing close to pure muscle. Karl Malone is pure muscle, Kevin Willis is pure muscle, Shaquille Oneal the guy who played for the Magic, then the lakers, now Miami. The guy with three world titles, three finals mvps, one league mvp, and a couple all star mvps. That guy he is not pure muscle. He has been out of shape for a while know why do you think his knees do not hold up? You think guy that is in great shape would have knee problems because of all the extra weight he is carrying because of him being so out of shape? Sorry, but if you think Shaq is pure muscle something is wrong. He was pure muscle in the passed, but those days are long gone. He has taken a huge step this off season into getting into shape, but is still not pure muscle. A guy who is pure muscle does not weigh 350 pounds.</div> There's a reason why Shaq is dominate. Oliver Miller is not dominate. Shaq has skills and Miller doesn't. However the reason why Miller bounces out of the league is because he's out of shape and fat. Shaq on the other hand is pure muscle if you actually watch him play you would know that he's not fat. I don't see any or much fat there. ---- EDIT: http://slamonline.com/wallpaper/slam_finals_02.jpg, it's a wall but if that doesnt change your mind on how you think Shaq is fat and not Pure muscle, then well, i could care less.
