Jason Quick: Rudy on his way out?

The part you are forgetting is the Al Jeff has had knee problems the last couple of years. If we trade away LMA (one of the few guys that was healthy for most of last year) for a fragile power forward the team should just change it's hame to the Portland Microfractures.

Whatever else Portland needs, they don't need to trade a healthy guy for a injury prone guy.

 

That's a good suggestion!

 

That's just plain shortsighted. Jefferson is a better rebounder and low-post scorer than LMA, but he's a terrible team player (complete black hole on offense), plays no defense WHATSOEVER, wouldn't work alongside Oden and has a history of injuries. A trade of LMA for Jefferson would be a huge mistake. As was the trade of Garnett, however old and overpaid, for Jefferson. As the Wolves have discovered.

 

I think Flynn for Rudy straight up is pretty fair, but Flynn's defensive potential as a pro kind of worries me; he played under Boeheim and his zone and he sure didn't seem to show much man-to-man potential with the Wolves. But if the swap was pretty much a 1 for 1 , I could live with that (even if we had to throw in some cash or a our second round pick).

 

I'm well aware of how garbage time effects players stats so sorry, not very enlightening. The Wolves scrubs got plenty of meaningless minutes going up against other scrubs in blowout losses as they were last in the league in point differential at nearly -10 points per game (PDX was +3.3). Having frontcourt players who struggle defensively is a sure way to find yourself moving down that list and not a direction I'd support the club going.

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I just really like his potential, and I think the Wolves were a terrible situation for him last year.

 

I think Rudy (and maybe even Claver) to MIN makes a lot of sense....Doubt we get Love\Jefferson back for him though... # 16? Yeah that is possible IMO...and if George\Henry or Anderson are there I think POR should consider it....

 

Jefferson is a starter for them so a higher percentage of his minutes came when the outcome was still in doubt. But more to the point, I've stated in other threads that I don't think the defensive stats do a good job of capturing whats what so I never refer to them for anyone. My opinion of Love's D is based on observation and his physical limitations that were confirmed at the pre-draft. For a starting PF dude has poor length, and is on the short, fat/heavy, and slow side. I know he can shoot the long ball, pass, and board, but dude is overmatched on D to my eyes and thats the aspect of Big man play I value most. This is especially so when he is matched up vs the taller longer more athletic guys who aren't coming off the bench.

thanks for the enlightenment though

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Love had a better vertical than LMA, a faster lane agility time, and a quicker 3/4 court sprint. Looks slow, sure. Also has same wingspan, reach, and vertical as Blake Griffin.

 

did I claim that LA was a great athlete? His posted times and verts were a shade under Kevin's but of course he has considerably more height and length.... having just checked the predraft stuff you knew this right? Of course while players can train to become faster and more explosive, adding height/length is more problematic.

Griffin is more or less the same size but his posted vertical jump numbers were about as much above Kevin's as Kevin's were above LA's... why this discrepancy in what you list as better and what is the same? I'm not really a Griffin fan though and prior to his draft questioned his NBA potential for the same reasons I questioned Love's and for that matter Beasley's. PFs often cover 5s on defensive switches so being small is a concern.

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Jonny Flynn was straight up AWFUL last season. (worst season by any rookie who got at least 1500 minutes and collected 350 assists over the last 10 seasons. Yikes.)

I guess there's a chance that Flynn develops into a good player, but I'm not sure I'd bet much on it, though I guess Fernandez is a somewhat similar value player, since he's been acting like he's got sand in his vag for the last year or so.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/tiny.cgi?id=J4qav

 

That's odd criteria you're using. I don't disgaree he was a disappointment, but I'd be more interested in how his season compares to rookies who just played 1500 minutes. The worst rookie who played 1500 minutes and scored 1200 points, probably is still a good player.

 

DINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDING! WE HAVE A WINNER!

 

And at a lower price!

 

I blame it on the triangle.

 

Oh, didn't you get the memo? It's not acceptable to suggest that Rambis trying to shoe-horn pick and roll point guards (Flynn and Sessions) into the triangle was a bad idea.

 

Well, I was trying to get guys who were conceivably point guards. But since you asked...

113 out of 119 guys who have gotten 1500 minutes or more in their rookie year in terms of win score.

Ahead of A_am Morrison though!

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/tiny.cgi?id=cKxge