Bayless was an option, as well as unknown trades. How is this a yes/no question? I feel like I'm in Crazy Town. Do the Blazers make the playoffs without the Camby trade in 2010? yes/no
Because I think it's a stupid question. Would the Blazers have made the playoffs without the Camby trade in 2010? Yes/No
How about getting this thread back on track? Who could POR be dealing Miller for? Another PG, according to Jay Allen? Is that what he said? So who is out there who has been rumoured to be available? Ray Felton is available right? Jameer Nelson? Tony Parker may be out there? Brandon Jennings has been mentioned to be available Rajon Rondo? I would (happily) find that hard to believe Mo Williams? Please...no. Baron Davis? A pick from CLE (#4) better be involved... Monta Ellis? Technically not a PG IMO, but I would love if it were so... Mario Chalmers? Goran Dragic? Jonny Flynn? Chris Paul!!!! Fat chance Steve Nash? I highly doubt it... Beno Udrih? yawn.... Jose Calderon? Possible... Devin Harris? UTA trading with POR, really?? I don't see any other realistic possibilities....Anyone else see someone who I am missing?
Unknown trades! Ah yes, who knows what would have happened in this alternate universe, maybe the Blazers would have traded for LeBron or Dirk or someone would have carried the day. Do we make the playoffs in 2009-2010 without the Camby trade? I want to say yes, because we were scrapping, but I think Camby gave us a boost so my gut says no. I don't think we make the playoffs. However, I think we still make the playoffs without Camby in 2010-2011.
Well, by using deductive reasoning, then the Blazers wouldn't have made the 2010 playoffs based solely on Miller alone. It took the Camby trade to actually put the team in the playoffs, by this train of thought.
Rajon Rondo and Chris Paul exist in the life-isn't-that-sweet category. I'd say that Tony Parker and Steve Nash are the most likely pie-in-the-sky possibilities. Most likely not, but not impossible. I think Ray Felton and Devin Harris are the likeliest possibilities. Maybe Jameer Nelson if Orlando decides that Howard is gone and it's time to liquidate.
When judging Andre Miller people often look at Steve Blake's 08-09 season, the problem with doing that is it was an abnormal career year for Blake. He greatly overachieved beyond his career norms, just as Sasha Vujachic did the year he got a bloated contract from the Lakers. Blake has never repeated that level of output, he didn't sustain that level of play in 09-10 before we traded him away. He was a below average NBA backup while playing with us in 09-10. He has been an underachieving backup with the Clippers and the Lakers. The Lakers along with Miami are probably the only two playoff teams in the NBA with a far worse PG situation than us. Miller needs to be judged against what Blake would provide from 09 onward and what other options we had at PG. Sadly those options were absolute crap, so even though Miller has some glaring weaknesses (outside shooting, defense, overdribbling) his overall impact to our team was far greater than the replacement options available.
You think it's a stupid question because it doesn't support your bullshit statement that Miller didn't make a difference on this team.
So what was your point again? Mine might be this. The Camby trade, by your own answer, was more important to the Blazers making the 2010 playoffs than the addition of Andre Miller. Because, as you just posted, without Camby, the Blazers don't make the playoffs.
Yeah. I don't even think it requires the deductive reasoning of your thought experiment to realize that Andre Miller couldn't have made the playoffs alone. Teammates would have been required.
In terms of results, he didn't make a difference. Plus, as you just posted, without the Camby trade, the Blazers don't even make the playoffs in Miller's first year as PG. Those are your own words.
Would the Blazers have made the playoffs without Miller? Maybe it required both guys. Could that be possible? Please advise.
I don't think anyone said Miller was solely responsible. I think what Nate was saying was that the same roster (plus the midseason acquisition of Camby) wouldn't have made the playoffs if you remove Miller. In which case, Miller made a difference. Of course, if Nate meant that Miller could have made the playoffs by himself, with no teammates, he can correct my restating of his position.
