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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Well Marquis Daniels already proved 2 years ago that he is clutch in the playoffs. You're being biased towards young players. You can't predict if someone will come through in the playoffs or not. Players go through hot and cold streaks. I think the personnel on your team is more important in the playoffs than your age. This team goes nowhere without Dirk anyways and Dirk will be playing 40+ minutes. Your simplifications of all young players play poorly in the playoffs is stupid.</div>No, look at all the young teams that played through the playoffs, they need experience, you don't just go into playoffs and start winning with young players. You need guys who've had experience mixed with youthness. Your just partial to one side, when I'm both. So your the biased one. You rather play all the young guys then the vets. Oh and now you say the team goes nowhere without Dirk but aren't you the one babbling if Harris isn't healthy, were done anyways. And it's not a simplification, name me a TEAM of young players instead of individually dumbass. This is a team sport, not one man. Wade had vets on the Heat team. And how was Daniels clutch that year in the playoffs lol. We went down 4-1 in that series. As of right now that playoff streak he went on is a fluke till he can do it again.
     
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    Because your man Vet Finley doesn't do <Censored>. Why bring youth vs. veterans. The players that play best during the regular season should be the ones playing in the playoffs. I don't care about the age. You obviously disagree and it figures with listening to ESPN too much. There are many young players that do well in the playoffs. Yeah if a team is really young they usually aren't that good because they haven't developed their game yet and are probably an average team anyway. If you are good and young than it doesn't matter.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Because your man Vet Finley doesn't do <Censored>. Why bring youth vs. veterans. The players that play best during the regular season should be the ones playing in the playoffs. I don't care about the age. You obviously disagree and it figures with listening to ESPN too much. There are many young players that do well in the playoffs. Yeah if a team is really young they usually aren't that good because they haven't developed their game yet and are probably an average team anyway. If you are good and young than it doesn't matter.</div> [​IMG] Why is Finley in this? And when did I say youth vs. vets. This is getting stupid. I stated so many fucken times we need both. Your the only one who wants youth. Hey I look at the young players on this team, and yea only Howard, Daniels are there in terms of readiness. Harris needs more seasoning, and Powell/Benga need a lot of experience. Harris will contribute but not at the level he can in a few years. That's where vets come in and pick up the slack, but NOOOOOO, to you the youth can do everything. This going nowhere since you are not comprehending what I'm saying. You rather play youth, I rather play both, look at the championship teams and tell me were they all young teams? They had both. I'm done with this.
     
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    I don't want youth if they aren't deserving to get minutes. If they are than I am fine with it. Harris is already there I feel to be getting minutes. He has done it all season until the injuries. When has a youth team done well in the regular season? If they did than they will probably do well in the playoffs.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>He has done it all season until the injuries. When has a youth team done well in the regular season? If they did than they will probably do well in the playoffs.</div>Harris needs more seasoning of playoff experience by getting some games under his belt still. He's only had one playoff run and did not get much run. You get better with more experience.And I don't know what your saying with the last one. I think the answer is rarely and that pretty much answers the other question.
     
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    Ok so you agree if they prove themselves to be worthy in the regular season than they're ready for the playoffs? Devin Harris has a lot more potential but I say he has already outplayed DA clearly as the backup point guard so he is worthy to be playing in the playoffs. This injury though will probably limit him to being just the backup point guard and not a 6th man type.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Ok so you agree if they prove themselves to be worthy in the regular season than they're ready for the playoffs?</div>It's not about oneself, it's about the team. If you have youth that can excel, you still need vets on the team to fill the roster out. Guys like Wade, Bron, Melo still need others and I bet they rather depend on savvy vets then other young guys like themselves. That's what it's about.
     
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    How about leaders rather than vets. If you have a leader quality in you than you don't have to be a vet. Lebron has that and he is really young so there are exceptions. I just don't agree with that you can have too many young players. If they are good enough than they should be playing. Even if the whole team is like that which it hasn't happened that I know of. Bad chemistry is caused by players not playing well together and maybe Daniels and Stackhouse are the most guilty of this.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>How about leaders rather than vets. If you have a leader quality in you than you don't have to be a vet. Lebron has that and he is really young so there are exceptions. I just don't agree with that you can have too many young players. If they are good enough than they should be playing. Even if the whole team is like that which it hasn't happened that I know of. Bad chemistry is caused by players not playing well together and maybe Daniels and Stackhouse are the most guilty of this.</div>Lebron has done nothing yet, this is his first playoff appearance and there's a chance there out in first round against Wiz. And your first sentence is why I'm done with this conversation. You seem to every extent to discredit vets come playoff time.
     
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    If the vets are good than I'm fine with them. If you are playing them just because they're vets than than I'm not fine with it. You assume things so quickly like I hate vets instead of looking for the reason I think certain things.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You assume things so quickly like I hate vets instead of looking for the reason I think certain things.</div>Clearly when your trying to downplay vets, and emphasize youth, I'm not assuming especially when you tried to make it a youth vs. veteran debate. So I'm not assuming anything.
     
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    The youth Daniels, Harris, and Howard are better than the vets Armstrong, Stackhouse, and Griffin. The youth players should be playing more because of it. You think you have to have vets for playoff success and I disagree if the youth players are good enough. I keep saying you play the best players available and if they're vets than that's an added bonus but on this team that's not the case.
     
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    I agree with Harris and Howard, but seriously get off Daniels nutsack. Your the only one who thinks he's a key on our team. Look around and find me someone else who thinks Daniels is important. I'll take Stack/Griff over him. And keep saying if youth is good enough, bottom line the championship teams have both, not one over the other. And quit with the what ifs. I don't see a young team out there that can win it all.
     
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    I said if the young players are good enough and in most cases they're not. Harris is though and Daniels compliments Howard well on offense and defense. Teams can't key on Daniels when Howard is in the game. Unfortunately when Daniels has to play with Marshall than teams will key on him. Stackhouse doesn't play well with anyone unless he feels like it. He can single handedly ruin the chemistry by holding the ball and taking bad shots instead of ball movement.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I said if the young players are good enough and in most cases they're not.</div>Exactly. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Teams can't key on Daniels when Howard is in the game. Unfortunately when Daniels has to play with Marshall than teams will key on him. Stackhouse doesn't play well with anyone unless he feels like it. He can single handedly ruin the chemistry by holding the ball and taking bad shots instead of ball movement.</div>Ugh excuses for Daniels then your bashing of Stack. Old. Just stop there, this thread doesn't need to turned into Daniels/Stack debate.
     
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    Bad habit. [​IMG] It was leaning that direction and I fell for it.
     
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    You know your arguement about Stack holding the ball and taking the shot is the same one people could use against Dirk as not being that great a player.Just a thought.
     
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    The difference is Dirk makes those shots. Stackhouse doesn't. Stackhouse should not play like Dirk if he doesn't have the game to show for it.
     

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