I agree with pretty much everything you said including a registration of sorts, and allowing people with education and/or money is a no brainer in my opinion. I work for a large corporate company that employs hordes of the type of people you describe, although mostly Asian and Indian, and their contribution to our society is not a question. Low income uneducated Hispanics are the real issue here, and as long as our economy is a leader in the world these people will always be here. They do however fill a need in our society and should be recognized for their contributions, but the system is set up for them to take advantage of it. Its not just immigration its, education, health care, and the tax code that really needs to be revamped along with immigration to allow the people to pay into the system and benefit form the the system (in a more limited legal way), rather than just leach off the system. The point that the US and most first world countries need immigration to maintain our pyramid scheme social programs is a good one. First world countries do not reproduce at the rate of poorer nations, in fact the US has one of the highest replacement reproduction rates of all first world countries and we still don't replace ourselves without immigration. Jeb Bush made a factual statement that I agree with and support, however it was a political bomb. Since I hate the Bush's I'm not to broken up over it.
Illiterate hispanics come here, so what? They do menial jobs or whatever they can get. Their kids go to our schools and learn english and math and science. We win in the long run.
I agree. I don't get it either. The push for this amnesty, which has been going on for years, and almost happened in 2007 until it was derailed at the last moment, is based on little more than bully politics. Scream and yell and demand long enough and hard enough to get what you want. Despite the fact that what you want is mass amnesty for crimes for a special, identified class, that it is inherently unfair to those who followed the law, that the demands are completely unprecedented in world history, and that it overturns generations of long-standing policy and law and principals that have guided immigration policy in this country.
You have no evidence of that. It is unsupported by facts or common sense. It may have been true 30 or 40 years ago. But, it mostly is no longer the case. Assimilation rates have plummeted. The U.S. public school is worse than many 3rd world countries at teaching. So, your claim they learn "English and math and science" isn't happening enough. 2nd generation drop-out rates and unmarried pregnancies and welfare and food stamp and prison rates have all skyrocketed in recent years.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...similating-just-as-quickly-as-earlier-groups/ Hispanic immigrants are assimilating just as quickly as earlier groups
In a free country, free people aren't afraid to go to the police or school functions, etc. The answer is to make them legal in the first place so they can. The abuse will stop.
Those are immigrants, not the illegals under discussion. As well, to be the 2nd generation of these immigrants, they came to the U.S. in the 70's and 80's. Legal immigrants from the 70's and 80's are not the same group of people as illegals from recent years. This is one the great propaganda myths of the pro amnesty and pro dramatically increase immigration rates supporters. They use the relative success of a different generation of legal immigrants to make the claim that all immigrants are the same. What a bunch of bullshit. It is amazing so many fall for it. I notice you didn't try coming up with facts on the increases in social problems.
Or from 200 years ago, 150 years ago, 100 years ago, etc. They're no different than the Irish who came here during the potato famine. People then said the same sorts of things against them, and they actually had white skin and spoke english.
What social problems? The more money we pour into the black hole that is government, the less effective it is at most things. What's that got to do with people living their lives?
