uh, even if you were rich, why would you ever pay franchise-player money for JARED JEFFRIES ? this is a stupid stupid idea, and every single knick fan needs to just complain til someone gets fired ;[
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting tradebark:</div><div class="quote_post">uh, even if you were rich, why would you ever pay franchise-player money for JARED JEFFRIES ? this is a stupid stupid idea, and every single knick fan needs to just complain til someone gets fired ;[</div> Last time I checked, 30 million dollars isn't franchise player money.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting tradebark:</div><div class="quote_post">uh, even if you were rich, why would you ever pay franchise-player money for JARED JEFFRIES ? this is a stupid stupid idea, and every single knick fan needs to just complain til someone gets fired ;[</div>Essentially, what they're spending is the MLE....which, when all is said and done, is about $47million (assuming it's the 5yr/33mil variety) less than a max deal, which is 5yrs/80mil roughly.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">Essentially, what they're spending is the MLE....which, when all is said and done, is about $47million (assuming it's the 5yr/33mil variety) less than a max deal, which is 5yrs/80mil roughly.</div> I don't get it; how is it like 47 million.
Lets take Melos max deal for example. It was a 5yr/80mil contract. Now lets look at this offer to Jeffries. If it's the full MLE, it's likely around the $33mil range if it's a 5 year deal. That's $47mil less. That's all I was saying. That the full MLE is A LOT less than a max deal for a franchise guy, and that Jeffries is getting nowhere near franchise player cash.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't get it; how is it like 47 million.</div> He didnt mean the deal was 47 million. He said the deal Jared Jeffries got is 47 million dollars less than the max. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">Essentially, what they're spending is the MLE....which, when all is said and done, is about $47million (assuming it's the 5yr/33mil variety) less than a max deal, which is 5yrs/80mil roughly.</div> Isiah Thomas certainly overpaid but he got the kind of player that the Knicks needed. He is not going to turn the Knicks into a playoff team but he should help them get a couple more wins which probably wont be worth what Jared Jeffries costed but what can you do? Someone else mentioned it but I feel compelled to repeat how stupid this signing makes the drafting of Renaldo Balkman look. Isiah Thomas says he passed up on Marcus Williams because he wanted Renaldo Balkman's energy and defensive tenacity and then he goes on and makes Renaldo Balkman obsolete. It doesnt make sense but since when does Isiah deal with sense? If I didnt know any better I'd say he gave Jared Jeffries this deal as a parting shot to the organization that is about to give him the boot. Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be set on fire.
Great point on the Balkman thing MrJ, I'll say I never even thought of that. This really makes that draft utterly pointless. By bringing in Jeffries, Balkman becomes an afterthought in my opinon. Unless he shows off a lot of good stuff in preseason and training camp, he might struggle to find PT with Jeffries in front of him. Beyond that, they're practically the same player, neither have much of an offensive game, what they do score is off hustle points, and both are really only defensive players. The only issue is they play the same position, Jeffries already has a few years under his belt, and he's also a lot taller and longer than Balkman. Sometimes I wonder what Isiah is thinking. But hey, this is his mess, he's the one that's got to deal with this come the season.
Wow... simply wow. How much more damage can Isiah do? Actually, Isiah has the right mindset to build a little more balance in his team, especially on the defensive end and in passing the ball, but I think it's too little, too late to introduce these elements when the owner told him he's got one year to seek improvement. Dolan probably shouldn't have suggested this was Isiah's last year or else and expected him to draft for the future. Isiah just might not be around to even care if Marcus Williams turns out to be a badass Knick. Bad on Dolan's part for opening his mouth. The other thing is can any of these guys bring immediate impact to the game? What about shooting? Some of these guys like Bruce Bowen or whoever can still shoot if needed to. We don't know what the rookies are like in a real nba game or if Jared Jeffries can be consistent enough at shooting. Otherwise passing will definitely be an issue if guys play the passing lanes and basically force these guys to shoot or to put the ball on the floor. Like all good defenders, the team still needs to play team and help defense. I don't know if the other four guys will get up and help each other out. I don't get this feeling from Marbury, Crawford, Qrich, Rose, Curry, or any of these guys. Maybe the rookies, but definitely not the vets.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Wow... simply wow. How much more damage can Isiah do? Actually, Isiah has the right mindset to build a little more balance in his team, especially on the defensive end and in passing the ball, but I think it's too little, too late to introduce these elements when the owner told him he's got one year to seek improvement. Dolan probably shouldn't have suggested this was Isiah's last year or else and expected him to draft for the future. Isiah just might not be around to even care if Marcus Williams turns out to be a badass Knick. Bad on Dolan's part for opening his mouth. The other thing is can any of these guys bring immediate impact to the game? What about shooting? Some of these guys like Bruce Bowen or whoever can still shoot if needed to. We don't know what the rookies are like in a real nba game or if Jared Jeffries can be consistent enough at shooting. Otherwise passing will definitely be an issue if guys play the passing lanes and basically force these guys to shoot or to put the ball on the floor. Like all good defenders, the team still needs to play team and help defense. I don't know if the other four guys will get up and help each other out. I don't get this feeling from Marbury, Crawford, Qrich, Rose, Curry, or any of these guys. Maybe the rookies, but definitely not the vets.</div> Thanks for swinging by, custodian. Anyway, I couldn't agree more. Isiah just seems to be making desperation moves to save himself instead of the organization. He must be stopped.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be set on fire. </div>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Thanks for swinging by, custodian. Anyway, I couldn't agree more. Isiah just seems to be making desperation moves to save himself instead of the organization. He must be stopped.</div> No problem. I was probably stating the obvious, though. But I can relate to Knicks fans woes regarding lame GM moves.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Has it been 7 days yet?</div> Well, considering the article has been post on 7-28-06, and today is 8-2-06, if you do the math, you will come out with 5 days.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Brian:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, considering the article has been post on 7-28-06, and today is 8-2-06, if you do the math, you will come out with 5 days. </div> Correction; Today is 8-3-06
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting P.A.P.:</div><div class="quote_post">Correction; Today is 8-3-06</div> Okay, you still have to wait 1 more day then MrJ.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Washington Wizards will not match the New York Knicks five-year, $30 million offer sheet extended to restricted free agent forward Jared Jeffries last week, a league source told SI.com. Jeffries will become property of the Knicks on Monday. The 6-foot-11 Jeffries averaged 6.1 points per game in 77 games (all starts) with Washington and was considered one of the top remaining free agents on the market. Last week Knicks president Isiah Thomas -- who shares the same Indiana alma mater as Jeffries -- signed Jeffries to a frontloaded contract that included a lump payment of $6 million when he signs as well as a trade kicker. The writing appeared to be on the wall for Jeffries when the Wizards agreed to terms earlier Saturday on a one-year deal (plus a second with a player option) with free agent forward DeShawn Stevenson, a less expensive alternative who averaged 11.2 points and 2.9 rebounds in 82 starts with Orlando last season.</div> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writ...ries/index.html
Is this supposed to be good news or bad news? Jefferies is an unselfish player and is great on the defensive end, which is exactly what the Knicks need. But with Jeffries signed, what's going to happen to Balkman? And isn't Jefferies another swing man? I thought you guys had enough of those. Also, he didn't really come that cheap........
That's a good sign for the Wizards. It won't put them near the the luxury cap, by matching an offer on a guy that doesn't do a whole lot besides play defense for the Wizards. Signing DeShawn Stevenson was the right choice and was able to let Jeffries to go to New York.
