Damn us! That's just not right. If I was Israel I wouldn't take anymore money from us. That would show us!
They have done dirty work yes, but not for "us". They have done it only when it serves their own goals and they have done it for traitors in our government. It's called dirty work because it is illegal and un-Constitutional and immoral among other things. Not having our "fingerprints" on it doesn't fool anybody. Our support for Israel's inexcusable terrorism and genocide campaigns is why 9 billions Muslims hate us. Fuck Israel.
I'll applaud him for it. Apparently we finally have a President with stones. It seems like forever since RFK was murdered and the endless string of wusses took his place. Between Obama and Hillary Clinton we finally have a couple leaders who have the courage to stand their ground and not cowtow to international bad guys. Give me more of this, I love it!
You should have seen his comments in the other thread... As has been stated many times Israel has illegally expanded (technically invaded because the settlements were outside the initial boundries) it's settlements multiple times through the years the use of lethal force. But hey....since they are our allies who cares.
If they are our ally they can do no wrong! HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT ISRAEL ISNT PERFECT!!! YOU ARE NO FRIEND TO ISRAEL! To say any different is simply anti-Semitic. They should be able to do whatever they want, take our money, spy on us, expect the U.S. to veto any condemnation or resolution against Israel, and then not listen to our opinion. It is what allies do.
I know the Jews have a long and sacred history in Jerusalem but wouldn't everyone be far better off today if the Jews had decided to settle in Baja California in 1948?
If you take a step back and take a look at how the the country we now know as Israel was created, it pretty insane. They created a homeland in the middle of an area where the Muslim community had been for over 1000 years....think about that. That would be like the international community in the 2800's giving the majority of the SE US to the Seminole and Cherokee descendants.
Maybe I'm missing your point, but A: isn't the Jewish faith significantly older and B: I could see why the Seminole and Cherokee descendants would want the land that was there families land a long time ago. Isn't part of the problem, and pardon my ignorance of it, that for both sides to be "correct" (in their own eyes), the other side has to be destroyed, right? Or something like that.
You are correct in that the Jewish religion has been around for much longer than 1000 years, but they haven't had a significant presence in terms of population in the region for over a millennium. Before the the Balfour Accords, the Jewish and Muslim population lived in peace, though the Jews were a pretty small majority. Palestine (which is a western concept) also had one of the higher per Capita income and literacy rates in the entire Muslim world before the British occupation (which was the start of the Jewish population being provided significantly more power than the Muslim community). Obviously tensions ratcheted up after WWII and massive inflow of people and money from the west. Since then the people that live in the west bank haven't even come close to those levels reached almost 80 years ago. Looking at the big picture it's easy to understand why there is so much anger and resentment but that doesn't excuse the violent behavior by the extremists. Part B, the Jewish people are on a extremely long list of civilizations and ethnicities who have been moved out of their native land for whatever reason. Should we create countries for all of them? As for your last point At this point I would say no.....I would bet a majority of the Palestinian people would welcome peace if it came and know that Israel isn't going anywhere. The conflict just keeps on simmering though as Israel kept on expanding and pushing out families that had lived on their land for generations, often through lethal force. The Palestinians are at fault as well as the violence from their side is just as inexcusable as the Israeli's. Overall if Israel stops expanding and makes a good faith effort to make it work some version of a peace could be worked out.
Both sides would enjoy immediately enjoy peace and prosperity if they would only embrace the teachings of L. Ron Hubbard. Their Thetan levels are way too low.
That isn't the history as I know it. There were always Jews in the middle east, though they were treated as second class citizens by the ottoman empire. The belfour declaration was basically a promise of a Jewish nation right where it is today. It was the draw for people fleeing horrors in Europe and unwanted by other nations, including the USA. For every Jew that immigrated to the middle east, an Arab from Egypt or Syria or other surrounding areas moved there as well. Again, Arafat was an egyptian, not a palestinian, the head of the PLO. The British abandoned their tanks, jeeps, weapons, ammo, when they left and left it for the Arabs. The Arabs conspired to push the new nation into the sea in 1948, and pressured the Arabs who lived within the Israeli borders to flee, and once the massacre was over they could move back. The lands Israel has outside its initial borders have been occupied for two main reasons. First, they were captured in the 1967 and 1973 wars, and second they provide a sort of buffer against further hostilities. Israel has ceded back lands it conquered in exchange for peace (Sanai/Egypt).
So...if I steal $500 from you and kill your family, but later I give you back $100, we're cool? Right?
Poor analogy. More like you tried to steal $500 from me and dropped your wallet when you tucked tail and ran.
[video=youtube;GVwFzXFsveg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVwFzXFsveg[/video] Hi. Looks like many Israelis are taking Obama's side. Seems like only something the right wing can spin. Israelis are getting sick of the right wing as well, and it is starting to show. Israel needs to take the U.S. advice for more than just consideration. Obama did the right thing. We don't bow to Israel at all. And being an ally isn't a one way street.
The amusing thing is that American conservatives are the most vociferous about being pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian...more so than the vast majority of American Jews and generally moreso than the vast majority of Israelis.
