Jimmy Butler wants out? (He does.)

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  1. Blazers Roy

    Blazers Roy Well-Known Member

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    Oh, idiot Wolves wanted Gordon and Tucker - Morey threw cold water on it right away.
    He didnt want to give up THAT MUCH, he will only deal scraps.
     
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    I mean its possibly a topic better discussed else where but I dont really know what to make of TO. Everything Ive read and different team mates seem to give varying opinions. I think on stats alone he was a 1st ballot hofer and I dont like the precedent being set of, “we dont like a guy so we wont honor his achievements”, this is sports not politics, not life and death and TO wasnt a criminal.

    Locker-room drama and all that crap seemed to follow TO every where he went, and some of it he brougbt upon himself some of it he didnt. He’s given some pretty good interviews about some of his faults in situations.

    The team oblitarator nonsense well thats not really fair it takes a lot of bad leadership from the top down to allow one player to destroy a team. The fact that on almost every team that there were ‘problems’ a lot of players took his side should tell us while he may have had a polarizing personality he wasnt destroying those teams. I think TO is an interesting discussion topic.
     
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    It's funny, but that thought ran thru my head as well.
    Simons looks exciting, he might be our star 8 years from now while Butler will be ring chasing for the vet minimum or retired.
     
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    Good thing big men don't need to be able to post up to be great players.
     
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    Yeah Simons is the type of gamble you take in the 20's when available. A little risky but with a possible high reward. The hard part is waiting it out until he can help.
     
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    When healthy Minnesota was a top 2 or 3 team in the west...
     
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    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    by that same token, Portland was a top 3 team
     
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    Who else are we going to go get with our assets? IMO, we need another player at least as good as CJ.

    Honestly without a move that adds that kind of talent I think Olshey is as good as gone.
     
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    And we weren't as good as healthy Minnesota.
     
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    You do not include CJ in a move for Jimmy Butler. His value is dropping.
     
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    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Thems the breaks.
     
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    Simon will start in 2-3 years. He'll be better than McCollum, who will leave, because he has court vision and can double as PG.

    No evidence needed, just eyeball. This is my command.
     
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    This confirms again that Miami was offering only Richardson and a draft pick, and not taking back Dieng.
    "There’s been a couple of different incarnations of this deal. The first one, the Heat didn’t want to take back Gorgui Dieng. Then, the next incarnation of the deal was ‘OK forget it, let’s just do it straight up, just for Jimmy on your end.’ They finally relented on Josh Richardson. They were giving them Josh Richardson, then Dion Waiters was going to be the cap filler and then a protected first-round pick.

    The medicals were exchanged, which generally in the NBA means this is a done deal. And then, Thibs called back and wanted more picks. And Pat Riley literally — I was told — called him a motherbleeper and hung up the phone."
    https://sports.yahoo.com/report-pat...otherf-hung-jimmy-butler-talks-034719927.html
     
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    I think it should be noted that Minnesota would have been taking back Waiters, who had a 10.58 PER last year and whose three year contract would pay out about the same as Evan Turner's two year contract. I see no reason at all why Minnesota wouldn't take back Turner in a deal with us.
     
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    I got the reason. No one thinks Turner is any good, yeah they may say he is in an interview, but behind the scenes I dont think anyone wants him. The league thinks besides Dame and CJ no one on the Blazers is that good. So its gonna be hard to get teams to take our not good, oh and overpaid players. ML and ET are more than likely staying unless theyre filler to make salaries work.
     
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    But...someone thinks Dion Waiters is good?
     
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    I think there is a much bigger chance an NBA coach or gm would look at waiters and think oh this could be our instant offense off the bench guy and want him, than there is they look at Turner and think he could do anything they really covet.
     
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    Kind of a catch 22. A few years back we couldn't make a big trade without combining half the team to match salaries. You have to have one or two of those types of contracts on your roster to make a big deal.......to go along with young players or draft picks. Ideally though we would have one ending contract this year and one next year.
     
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    Well it was one thing to give guys big money, it was weird to give them all big money and 4 years too. Nothing like locking in the mediocrity.

    Im salty today!

    taking a step back, you’re right those type of contracts do help with big trades and such.
     
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    If the Blazers had Pat Rily as a GM we'd probably have Jimmy Butler by now.
     

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