<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Nah dude, that's the interpretation of people who are realistic about how the world is these days. Race in the strict sense is meaning less and less, with interracial marriages, globalization, etc, etc. You compared this issue to me mocking the language of English, but that makes no sense since English is a global language now (it has no specific home). However, if I mockingly use English in a way that is clearly targeting a certain cultural group, then it can be considered racism. For example, if I speak the English language in a hillbilly-ish way, a person from the Southern USA would probably accuse me of racism/racial insensitivity/stereotyping, etc. I could use your excuse, saying that by presupposing that only white people talk like that he's being racist, but there's a precedent behind the joke and it combines language, race, and location to make fun of a certain culture. There's no word like culture-ism, so racism nowadays implies cultural attacks too. I don't know why you have an axe to grind against reverse racism or "minority's exploiting their status for an advantage," but (1) it's not relevant in this situation and (2) what advantage do you see coming from this reaction? If it results in the ability to watch talk shows and not be subjected to pre-school jokes about how Orientals are different, then that's not an advantage, that's equality.</div> If you spoke with a hillbilly-ish accent, it'd be racist? Yes, it is completely relevant, because this joke of a rapper decided to spend a few hours of his time writing a "diss track" about Rosie O'Donnel. That's what this subject is all about. How's that not relevant? And you're still missing the point bro'. You say racism/stereotyping/this/that... you can't keep putting slashes in there. There's a distinct difference between racism and stereotyping. Yes, what Rosie O'Donnel did was stereotyping, but it was not in the least bit racist. (By the way, the English language is just as much inherently Caucasian as the Chineese language is inherently Oriental.)
<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">If you spoke with a hillbilly-ish accent, it'd be racist? Yes, it is completely relevant, because this joke of a rapper decided to spend a few hours of his time writing a "diss track" about Rosie O'Donnel. That's what this subject is all about. How's that not relevant? And you're still missing the point bro'. You say racism/stereotyping/this/that... you can't keep putting slashes in there. There's a distinct difference between racism and stereotyping. Yes, what Rosie O'Donnel did was stereotyping, but it was not in the least bit racist. (By the way, the English language is just as much inherently Caucasian as the Chineese language is inherently Oriental.)</div> Racial sterotyping is basically just a form of racism.
<div class="quote_poster">A.F. Venom Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Racial sterotyping is basically just a form of racism.</div> Not really. Look at this specific case. O'Donnel stereotyped all Asians as speaking with the phonemes resembling the sounds "Ching chang chong, etc." That's a true, factual stereotype, and it has not basis on race. Her point was completely, 100% to make referrence to the globalization of the show, not to insult a race. Still not remotely racist...
Yeah, I didn't find her comments offensive at all. It's not like she was insulting them or anything. She pretended to speak in Chinese but what she was pretending to say wasn't degrading at all. As far as the diss track goes, wow. That's just pathetic.
<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Not really. Look at this specific case. O'Donnel stereotyped all Asians as speaking with the phonemes resembling the sounds "Ching chang chong, etc." That's a true, factual stereotype, and it has not basis on race. Her point was completely, 100% to make referrence to the globalization of the show, not to insult a race. Still not remotely racist...</div> I guess your right. Either way it's still stupid to say something like she did on TV. If she really wants to mock Asian people she should do it directly. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, I didn't find her comments offensive at all.</div> Well of course you wouldn't because your not Asian.
<div class="quote_poster">A.F. Venom Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I guess your right. Either way it's still stupid to say something like she did on TV. If she really wants to mock Asian people she should do it directly.</div> Oh, no doubt. Like I said earlier, Rosie O'Donnel is still an annoying <font color=""DarkSlateGray"">c</font>unt.
<div class="quote_poster">A.F. Venom Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well of course you wouldn't because your not Asian.</div> I was saying I didn't think they were bad enough to offend someone.
<div class="quote_poster">Swish Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I was saying I didn't think they were bad enough to offend someone.</div> It was pretty offensive. I get pissed off when people do that to me, because Chinese sounds nowhere like "Ching Chong Ching chong ching". But this is just a joke though, just like "Around The World" by RHCP.
<div class="quote_poster">Locke Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> But this is just a joke though, just like "Around The World" by RHCP.</div> That's not a joke actually... not mocking language... it's a signature skat by Kiedis.
<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That's not a joke actually... not mocking language... it's a signature skat by Kiedis.</div> Whatever though. Keidis did the same thing.
<div class="quote_poster">Locke Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Whatever though. Keidis did the same thing.</div> Um, when? That's called skating. It's a singing style.
Meh, I was mainly arguing that the dude had a right to react against it. She was trying to get a cheap laugh by using a crappy joke about Asians and deserved to be called out for it. What I really disagreed with was the whole "minority's trying to use their status to get an advantage" statement. To be honest, I hate arguing about how something is racist, but I felt compelled to because I didn't agree with that. In the end, they're both dumbasses.
Mocking someone's speech patters in an stereotypical way is disrespect, so yeah it's a racist thing to do. I'm Irish and when someone says "lucky charms" or "potato famine" I just laugh but I think it is kind of racist. one time I was working with this Jewish kid and he said "how do you feel about the potato famine", like it was the best joke ever, I said "how do you feel about the Holocaust", his face went stone. "Not so good." he replied. so yeah O'Donnell is ignorant and clowning someone's culture is racist
<div class="quote_poster">phunDamentalz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Mocking someone's speech patters in an stereotypical way is disrespect, so yeah it's a racist thing to do. I'm Irish and when someone says "lucky charms" or "potato famine" I just laugh but I think it is kind of racist. one time I was working with this Jewish kid and he said "how do you feel about the potato famine", like it was the best joke ever, I said "how do you feel about the Holocaust", his face went stone. "Not so good." he replied. so yeah O'Donnell is ignorant and clowning someone's culture is racist</div> Ireland is not a race.
<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">From what I heard, they weren't racist. She was jokingly imitating the Chineese language by saying "ching chong ching chang," etc. That's her joking about a nation's language, not in any way disrespecting a race. In fact, to assume that a Chineese person could not be, say, Caucasian, is more racist than O'Donnel's comments themselves. People just like to get sympathy and exploit their minority status for their own advantage too often. Rosie O'Donnel is still a fat, annoying <font color=""Black"">cun</font><font color=""Black"">t</font> though.</div> I agree with you totally, except for Rosie O'Donnell being fat and annoying. She's not really that bad. <div class="quote_poster">NTC187 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think what she said wasn't intended to be racist, but it was. Is Rosie O'Donnel a racist? No (well not that I know of), but her comments will definatley offend Asian people.</div> Her comments were not racist, nor were they intended to affend. It's the same thing as making fun of a Boston or British accent, or making fun of German (NEIN! ACHTUNG!) in that hard, sharp voice. Languages have certain sounds. <div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Not really. Look at this specific case. O'Donnel stereotyped all Asians as speaking with the phonemes resembling the sounds "Ching chang chong, etc." That's a true, factual stereotype, and it has not basis on race. Her point was completely, 100% to make referrence to the globalization of the show, not to insult a race. Still not remotely racist...</div> Thank you for mentioning the psycholinguistic aspects of it. It's nice to be reminded that there are some very educated people here. I get pissed at people on this board all the time for racism and homophobia-- what Rosie did/said is not racist.
<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Um, when? That's called skating. It's a singing style.</div> I just gave it another listen-through, and I was referring to the part towards the end when Kiedis says two lines of gibberish, "ding ding dong ching dong" w/e. Might not have been racist but could have been interpreted that way as well. I know I know for sure $%%&*^&^$#$@##%&^*(*(&%%^$%$ I know I know its you &*%^$#@#$%^&*&()**%%$#@#$%*%
Nice to hear another voice of reason, Chuck! <div class="quote_poster">Locke Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I just gave it another listen-through, and I was referring to the part towards the end when Kiedis says two lines of gibberish, "ding ding dong ching dong" w/e. Might not have been racist but could have been interpreted that way as well. I know I know for sure $%%&*^&^$#$@##%&^*(*(&%%^$%$ I know I know its you &*%^$#@#$%^&*&()**%%$#@#$%*%</div> Lol, that's a vocal technique he's been doing since the late 70's bro'; he's not trying to sound Oriental.
