John Lund's "Inside Source" on Miller/Winning

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  1. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    I'm not saying they're the same, but that was exactly what Wilt's motivation was for 12 years.
     
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    ucatchtrout Well-Known Member

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    John Lund is a piece of shit.
     
  3. BBert

    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    I have to say I've quickly tired of Lund's rambling drivel. He's an idiot. And the notion that Andre Miller is content with losing is idiotic. The guy balls to the best of his ability every night. Ask HCP's wife! (Sorry, couldn't resist.)
     
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    Well, then he's just not good enough to be a key player on a playoff winner. That's not a bad thing, though.
     
  5. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    But he's perfect for a .500 team that is struggling to make the playoffs :grin:
     
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    He's good enough to be a key player on a playoff winner. He's not good enough to create a playoff winner all by himself. That's not a bad thing though, as there are generally only a few players like that in the league at a time.
     
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    History says otherwise. Perhaps he'd be a good back-up PG on an elite team, but his lack of shooting and lack of defense get exposed in an extended series. I just don't see any reason to keep him past the trade deadline if something of value can be brought back.
     
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    Give it a Rest Papa. We would be totally sunk if it wasn't for Dre.
     
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    I think LMA demanding double-teams is the only reason the team is still in the playoff hunt. When Matthews and Rudy hit open shots, the Blazers win. When they aren't hitting, last night happens.
     
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    Lol. Methinks you don't know what "literal truth" means.

    Look at PapaG! He's the victim again!
     
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    You shouldn't always trust your thoughts... Dre Miller is Mr. Intangible, his game isn't loud, but it makes a huge impact on the court, whether You see it or not
     
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    The "literal truth" had nothing to do with what you bolded. It was edited/deleted by Sly, which is why I brought it up, and it had nothing to do with Andre Miller.

    DERRRRRRRR

    Methinks you don't have a fucking clue what I was even referencing, since it was DELETED, which I agreed with, so that doesn't really make me a victim, does it.?

    Try again...
     
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    No, history says he can't create playoff winners himself.

    Had Roy been fully healthy last playoffs, the Blazers win the first round series easily and Miller would have been a key player on a playoff winner. It's not his fault Roy was hurt.
     
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    You should know by now that anytime a guy who is known by everyone as "Papa" says he's "closing a deal", that in involves Half-and-Half and a cheap motel.
     
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    So do you still think the team should waive him if they can't get something of value back?

    Go Blazers
     
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    It wasn't that Nate didn't want to counter, it's that he couldn't. It was Batum's shoulder injury that really killed us, almost as much as losing Roy.
     
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    repped!
     
  18. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Disagree. Nate never even tried to feed Batum in the post and admitted it was because he thought Batum wasn't ready.

    If Batum was healthy enough to play, he was healthy enough to abuse Nash. It's not like he needed to bang with him and overpower him in the post. All he had to do was catch the ball, turn and shoot over him.

    The problem was, after two seasons as the starting small forward, Nate did not have one set play in his playbook for Batum. He was always the bail out option, standing in the corner, on the Roy iso. With Roy injured, and no set plays for Batum he became useless on offense. Nate didn't have the confidence in Batum, to design some plays to exploit Nash on defense.

    That, to me, as much as the Roy injury, was the reason the Blazers lost that series. In game 1, both Miller and Batum had great games and the Blazers won without Roy. They scored 105 points in that game.

    Gentry reacted by putting Grant Hill on Miller, and both Batum's and Miller's production went down significantly. Gentry got away with putting a poor defending PG on our starting SF, and Nate never even tried to make him pay for it. Over the next five games, the Blazers averaged just 90.6 PPG and made Phoenix, who gave up 105.6 PPG during the regular season, and who was 23rd in the league in team DRtg, look like a great defensive team. Series over.

    BNM
     
  19. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

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    IIRC, it was Batum saying he wasn't ready, not Nate.

    And I'm pretty sure they tried doing that during games this season. Batum would turn and try shooting bank shots over smaller defenders and wasn't very successful.
     
  20. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Nope, Nate said it, both at the time and later. Batum did say he was going to work on his post game over the summer so his coach would have confidence in giving him the ball in the low post.

    Opening night against the Suns, the Blazers ran several set plays for Batum, and he took the ball right at Nash several times and scored with ease. I noticed it immediately, and commented at the time that it only took Nate six months to make the necessary adjustments.

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