Trade Josh Hart traded to the Knicks

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  1. CJ_is_Gone

    CJ_is_Gone Well-Known Member

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    Sharpe has been spoon fed enough minutes and opportunities as it stands.

    Occasionally, he'll make a spectacular play. But unfortunately, Portland is usually a better team when he's on the bench.

    I like the ~15 minutes of developmental time he gets every game. He's shown signs of being more aggressive recently (which is good) - but he needs to start earning more playing time by being a net positive for the team.
     
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    I think giving Thybulle the 6 million qualifying offer is a no-brainer. But as you allude to the 8 million qualifying offer for Cam is not. So let's see what we have.......even if the intention is to use the 8 mil in a trade.
     
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    This is a fine premise.

    What has Cam done to " earn" more playing time?
     
  4. CJ_is_Gone

    CJ_is_Gone Well-Known Member

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    Reddish has played well so far with Portland.

    Just a quick comparison between Cam (first) & Sharpe (second). Sharpe's numbers are just for the 10 games in February:
    TS%: 0.620 vs 0.580
    ORtg: 123 vs 112
    DRtg: 116 vs 127

    These are for Cam in Portland vs full season of Sharpe (don't known how to get the data for a more recent period):
    TRB%: 5.2 vs 7.2
    AST%: 14.1 vs 4.6
    WS/48: .127 vs .034
    BPM: -0.6 vs -4.1

    I'm not saying Cam has been a star at all... Just that he has been playing decent (ie- not hurting the team by being on the court). Sharpe has yet to advance to that level.
     
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    Samuel James “Hollywood” Robinson

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    Personally, I'd rather the team offer him a team-friendly multi-year deal vs. the QO if they think he's a good fit. QO players become unrestricted free agents. Those seem to end poorly or expensively for Portland.
     
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    OneSport3 The Knowledge Hoarder

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    Josh Hart has transformed into a sniper since joining the Knicks. He’s shooting 63% from 3 in 6 games.
     
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    The Knicks have legit bigs, they box out and play defense. Josh Hart isn't sapped of energy trying to EVERYTHING besides shooting to help his new team win games.
     
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    Those are not mutually exclusive. Typically you have to offer the QO as a procedural step. The team can also offer a multi-year deal at the same time
     
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    these are the Western Conference standings right now. Pay attention the the very last column that has the records for every team over their last 10 games:

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    I can't recall ever seeing that much parity. What is crazy is that the Blazers, in my recollection, have played pretty shitty over the last 10. Yet, they have only lost 1 game in the standings against 3 teams, and two games against the #1 seed. 6 teams have the same 5-5 record and the Blazers have actually gained a game against 3 teams, two of which are ahead of Portland

    the Blazers are 3 wins away from being the 4th seed, and 3 losses away from 6th slot in the lottery. Crazy town
     
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    Fairly-Hard Former Member Gone New!

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    Simply speaking a 6-8 game win streak changes the entire outlook for any team.
     
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    yeah, it would. But in the last 20 games of season, teams play their conference opponents a lot more than otherwise. 15 of Portland's last 22 games are against WC teams. All those WC teams still contending for a playoff spot have been taking turns kicking each other's asses all season. Hard to picture any of them putting together that long of a winning streak

    I sure can't see the Blazers putting together a streak like that. Their identity this season is inconsistency. That 6 game eastern road trip will be a problem. Worse, is that of their last 22 games, 18 are against teams with better records; and 9 are against top-5 seeds

    Blazers have just dug too deep a hole to this point. Bad news for the playoffs IMO. But maybe good news for June 22
     
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    You knew it was coming, turn away if you must

    Knicks have won 7 in a row
    Josh Hart registered a +30 off the bench
     
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    Hart is +96 though his first 7 games with his new team.
     
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    Good we need their draft pick
     
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    Still the same ol Josh Hart
     
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    The team ahead of us keep leaving the door open. 4-2 road trip and we’re right there. I mean, if we had won the last two games, we’d be 8th right now. The smallest streak can lead to jump in standings.
     
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    All we need is for <thing that only happened once this season when the team was healthy and way different> to happen and we’re right back in it!
     
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    but exactly what about the last 2 games gives you any hope the Blazers could go 4-2 on the road trip? Which is more likely 4-2 or 2-4? 5-1 or 1-5? Portland is 3-7 over the last 10 games and 8 of those 10 games were at home.

    The last time the Blazers beat a top-4 seed was a month ago when they won a game at Memphis. But they had a healthy Nurkic along with Josh Hart, Payton played 29 minutes, and was before Simons went into an extended slump of terrible games before getting injured. They aren't the same team

    I understand the 'logic' of why the Blazers traded Hart a lot more than I accept it. But the thing is that Hart was the glue-guy on the team with his constant hustle, rebounding, good defense, tempo, ball-handling, and play-making. Replacing Hart and Payton with Thybulle and Reddish has made Portland a weaker team with a much more fragile nature. And Nurkic and Winslow being out is making things worse, even though Nurkic has never been a cure for being fragile

    Dame needs help and he's simply not getting any. There is no consistency at all on this team and I'm sorry to say I think the coaching is truly suspect. That is not a formula for a winning streak. It's certainly not a formula for a solid 6 game road trip to the east, this late in the season. And the entire apparatus is resting on the shaky foundation of a cheap-screw ambivalent ownership, and a management team apparently terrified of luxury tax at the same time they can weigh lottery odds vs the diminishing chances of making the play-in, and even smaller chance of advancing out of it

    but sure, other than that things are looking good....wining streak just around the corner!!
     
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    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    1 and 5 at this point might be considered a successful road trip
     
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    Hart has helped the Knicks win 8 straight today.

    what's weird is seeing certain people with Blazer credentials still kissing Cronin's ass for that trade, by trying to bring up bad Josh Hart stats.
    HUSTLE doesn't always show up in the boxscore.
     
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