JVG said DWade is the top 2 or 3 two guards of all time? You agree with that?

Kobe has done it much longer and didn't break down. Wade already looks like he is breaking down. Plus Kobe has five rings.

 

I know Oscar Robertson was considered a PG, but he played the exact same role on his teams as Wade did (at least until LeBron arrived). Roberston and Wade are also the same size. The difference is Roberston did it far, far better.

If we include the Big O, I'd rank them:

Jordan
Kobe
Oscar

and then a tightly spaced group including West, Wade and Drexler (in that order). David Thompson could have been on that list, if he wouldn't have pissed his talent away.

BNM

 

Really? I count at least three that played much better defense than Wade.

Jordan - All-Defensive 1st Team 9 times
Kobe - All-Defensive 1st Team 9 times
West - All-Defensive 1st Team 4 times*
Wade - All-Defensive 1st Team ZERO times

* Note: the NBA did not start voting for All-Defensive Teams until 1968-69, West's 9th season in the league at the age of 30. He still made All-Defensive 1st Team 4 times in his 30s. He would have made it many more times in his 20s, if they would have voted for it back then. West was known as one of the best defenders in the league throughout his entire NBA career.

BNM

 

Kobe has never been a better defender than Wade. Their impact on that end of the floor is not even close. I wasn't aware Wade has never made all-d first team, but if that's correct, that award is an absolute joke. He and LeBron have been without a doubt the best perimeter defenders in the league over the past 10 years. (Ignoring guys that only play defense, but even then I'd take Wade's D over any of them.)

 

Ray Allen? Not even close

Robertson was a forward

World B. Free? Not even close.

Pete Maravich? Not even close.

Iverson? Maybe for a 2-3 year peak, but even that's debatable.

I put Wade ahead of Drexler, right now. I think he's a solid 3rd-5th, unquestionably.

 

Maravich wasn't a great NBA player. West was at his best at PG.

Gervin, I have no issue with.

 

He is considered a small forward by many NBA historians, too.

Not a SG, though.

 

May as well call Larry Bird and Scottie Pippen '2-guards' if we're going to add the Big O.

 

Don't be ridiculous. Did you ever even see Oscar Robertson play? He played the same role and a similar style to what Wade played on the Heat in the pre-LeBron days. He brought the ball up the court and ran the offense. In his second season in the league, he set a new record for assists in a season. Did Bird or Pippen or any other forward in the entire history of the NBA ever hold the single season assist record?

Roberston, in his prime, was definitely a guard. The only question is was he a PG or a SG. To claim otherwise is like trying to say Michael Jordan wasn't a SG because he played SF with the Wizards, or Magic Johnson wasn't a PG because he played PF when he made his brief post-HIV comeback.

BNM

 

Link? Who are these "many NBA historians"?

BNM

 

BTW, Oscar Robertson made 1st or 2nd team all NBA 11 times. Back in those days, the voting was for two guards, two forwards and one center. All 11 times, Robertson made 1st or 2nd team All-NBA, he was voted in as a guard. His peers, the coaches and the journalists all considered him a guard during his playing career. Any attempt to label him differently is revisionist history - and also just plain factually incorrect and misinformed. Most likely the clueless ramblings of someone who never actually saw him play.

BNM

 

Wilt Chamberlain led the NBA in assists one year. Maybe he should be in Wade's category, too.

 

I'm just saying I don't consider Oscar Robertson a 2-guard, and as you explain his game, and as I've read about it extensively, he seems more like a PG, although he rebounded like a forward. I have no issue saying the Big O is a better player than Wade, though. That seems obvious.

I like your little insult at the end, too. How dare anyone question the opinion of the great Boob-No-More!

 

Why is Magic a PG, but Robertson a SG?

 

Basketball Reference has him as a G/F

Every 'greatest PG' list has Robertson on it. I can't find a list that has him as a SG, and I can find a few that have him as a SF.

But, if he was a SG, who am I to argue with you?

 

I don't care what Maravich did in college. He was not better than Dwyane Wade as a pro 2-guard. He also averaged only 4 apg, but with 4 tpg, once the NBA started tracking those stats in the late '70s.

If Pippen was a PG, then a lot of players were PGs who aren't considered PGs. Ron Harper brought the ball up the court plenty for those Bulls teams.