hes not an amazing athlete? last time i checked, you have to be a pretty darn good athlete to be in the nba. with the exception of a couple (tracktor trailer, sean kemp) and id say k mart is definitly an amazing athlete, the guy can jump so damn high, and is in amazing shape...so you dont think hes an amazing athlete, ya gotta give it up that hes a great athlete, if not...then why not? and i didnt compare him to antoine...i dont remember comparing him to anyone? but lookin at their physique, id say kmart is in WAY better shape...antoine has been around a LOT longer then kmart, so obviously hes going to be a better leader...anyways...this is pointless...you dont like him, fine...that doesnt mean hes not a good player...i like him, thats my opinion
whatever. you can think what you want. in reallity kenyon martin is overrated. He can't score without Jason Kidd and just doesnt have it mentally and in his heart. he was what 2 for 500 in the last two games of the finals when his team needed him to step up the most? even antoine walker wouldnt have done that
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">whatever. you can think what you want. in reallity kenyon martin is overrated. He can't score without Jason Kidd and just doesnt have it mentally and in his heart. he was what 2 for 500 in the last two games of the finals when his team needed him to step up the most? even antoine walker wouldnt have done that </div> how do you know he cant score without kidd? he hasnt had to play without him yet...kidd shot terribly in the finals too...that dont mean kidd is a terrible player too. last year in the finals he had a HUGE game...if your gonna bring up one bad game, ill match you for every bad game, with a huge game. he is overrated in some peoples eyes, i agree...and antoine shot like 5 for 20 in the last couple games in the boston detroit series...so yea..antoine does actually do that bottom line is..hes young and developing...playing along side of kidd, he WILL get better, as that is kidds game, making other players better...whether you think hes good or overrated or whatever, doesnt change the fact that i enjoy watching his game...he jumps high, dunks hard and plays physical hard nosed D, and for that, I enjoy watching him play. end of story.
no. antoine wouldnt do it in the finals. stars dont do that. kidd wasnt that bad and he was still doing all the work for his teammates. theres no other way to explain it. all you have to do is whatch kmart when kidd isnt in the game trying to score or whatch him try to score when no in transition. he cant drive past people or fool them and for being an "Amazing" athlete whos in the best shape in the world he gets remarkably few rebounds and blocks and hes in the EAST. (and dont bring up walker who has fewer rebounds but spends more time on the peremeter and does more for his team you might as well compare him to jermaine oneal or some other all star for crissake). kidds already done a great job of makin kmart look good. he wont do much better and if the nets fall out of contention he could leave or demand a trade. then kmart would be absoltlye revealed. i hope you wouldnt cry.
he avg's 8 boards a game...thats remarkably low? thats one less board a game then matrix and JYD who are both 8th and 9th in the league respectively. are the players who pull down enough boards a game to be in the top ten in the league remarkably low rebounders too? or is that single extra rebound a game less enough to qualify k mart as a "remarkably low rebounder"? jesus, id hate to see what you consider to be excellent. so because antoine did it in the eastern conference semi finals, he wouldnt do it in the nba finals? sounds a lot like a hypothetical situation to me. im giving you an example of an actual scenerio...your making one up...whos giving more substance here? id say the eastern conference semis are pretty important considering without getting past there you arent even going to the finals as well. your the one who keeps comparing him...not me by the way. i said that i think hes a good player, and will get better. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">he jumps high, dunks hard and plays physical hard nosed D, and for that, I enjoy watching him play. end of story.</div>
lets stop comparing kenyon to all stars. hes just not on that level. the whole league kind of underachieved on the boards this year but thats besides the point. you say kmarts an amazing athlete and in one of the best shapes in the league. people say he's so aggressive and so skilled and has "phenomenal" ups. any big man with that description should be getting double doubles all over the place unless he's bringing something else to the table like good passing or extremly smart play which kmart doesnt. shareef abdur rahim had more than kmart
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">lets stop comparing kenyon to all stars. hes just not on that level. the whole league kind of underachieved on the boards this year but thats besides the point. you say kmarts an amazing athlete and in one of the best shapes in the league. people say he's so aggressive and so skilled and has "phenomenal" ups. any big man with that description should be getting double doubles all over the place unless he's bringing something else to the table like good passing or extremly smart play which kmart doesnt. shareef abdur rahim had more than kmart</div> lol..."lets" stop comparing him to all stars? you brought up the comparisons...not me...all i compared was his rebounding stats because you said they were remarkably low...they arent, i proved that. yes, i said hes an amazing athlete...so have practically every nba analyst who iv read or heard speak about him. and no, i didnt say hes in one of the best shapes in the L. i said hes in amazing shape...and he is, hes ripped...but dont put words in my mouth. shareef is a better scorer then k mart...hes also been playing 4 yrs longer...but i thought you wanted to stop comparing him to all stars (reef was an all star in 02)
pfffffffft...the only thinkg youve proven is youre a big kmart fan. reef is still better than kmart even though hes not an all star anymore. whatever im done with this kid
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post"> pfffffffft...the only thinkg youve proven is youre a big kmart fan. reef is still better than kmart even though hes not an all star anymore. whatever im done with this kid</div> lol...so i didnt prove his rebounding isnt remarkably low? okay then..i guess im wrong, 8 and 9 rpg's is remarkably low reef is better then k mart...i hope he is, considering (according to you) reef is also a remarkably low rebounder (8.4 rpg) yea...i am a big kmart fan...great observation sherlock ...did you come to that conclusion yourself? or did you enlist the help of the government to make that brilliant deduction?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">no one has ever really been initmidated by him</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quoting magicfrankie:</div><div class="quote_post">olskool... 2 words for you: Antoine Walker... </div> Still no response to this olskool???? I'm now reading back your discussion with dj_premium_plus, and I can't help laughing about your denial, you just keep repeating yourself! You say stuff about K-mart like it is all true, but you don't have anything to back it up! And when the ground gets too hot beneath your feet, you say: 'let's stop comparing him to all stars' and suddenly bring on shareef abdur-rahim, what's he got to do with it??? And then your next post: 'Whatever I'm done with this kid', without even responding to premium's arguments anymore, because you simply can't! Oh man oh man, I really had a good laugh about you, so bad my neighbours called me to ask me what the funny thing was! (and they live 2 miles away!) Please don't start hating on K-mart again, because my only response will be a link to this thread, and it will make you look stupid AGAIN!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting magicfrankie:</div><div class="quote_post"> And then your next post: 'Whatever I'm done with this kid', without even responding to premium's arguments anymore, because you simply can't! </div> i kinda thought this too...he seems to (almost) cleverly avoid every point i bring up, and just throw out more unsubstanciated jargon like "k mart is a remarkably low rebounder" and when i back up my comments with STATS, they are dismissed as if somehow stats are wrong too...if im proved wrong with a fact like a stat, ill admit it and say "i stand corrected" this is too much for some people to do however. want more unsubstanciated jargon? here is some more: he said..."the league underachieved in boards this year" but compare it to the last couple years...its no differnt. this years rebound leaders: 1. B. Wallace DET 15.4 2. K. Garnett MIN 13.4 3. T. Duncan SAS 12.9 4. J. O'Neal IND 10.3 5. B. Grant MIA 10.2 6. T. Murphy GSW 10.2 7. D. Nowitzki DAL 9.9 8. S. Marion PHO 9.5 9. J. Williams TOR 9.2 10. P. Brown NOR 9.0 last year: 1. B. Wallace DET 13.0 2. T. Duncan SAS 12.7 3. K. Garnett MIN 12.1 4. D. Fortson GSW 11.7 5. E. Brand LAC 11.6 6. D. Mutombo NJN 10.8 7. J. O'Neal IND 10.5 8. D. Nowitzki DAL 9.9 9. S. Marion PHO 9.9 10. P. Brown NOR 9.8 lol...the discrepancy is hardly enough to say the league underachieved in rebounds this year im not judging on the top ten either...i checked the entire list. one thing i was thinking also...is k mart was considered by many to be an "all star snub" this year...and i wouldnt be surprised if hes an all star this season comming up. just a thought.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting magicfrankie:</div><div class="quote_post">Still no response to this olskool???? I'm now reading back your discussion with dj_premium_plus, and I can't help laughing about your denial, you just keep repeating yourself! You say stuff about K-mart like it is all true, but you don't have anything to back it up! And when the ground gets too hot beneath your feet, you say: 'let's stop comparing him to all stars' and suddenly bring on shareef abdur-rahim, what's he got to do with it??? And then your next post: 'Whatever I'm done with this kid', without even responding to premium's arguments anymore, because you simply can't! Oh man oh man, I really had a good laugh about you, so bad my neighbours called me to ask me what the funny thing was! (and they live 2 miles away!) Please don't start hating on K-mart again, because my only response will be a link to this thread, and it will make you look stupid AGAIN!</div> how many times do you have to embarrass yourself before you get a clue that no one is buying it. dont be mistaken. i find it pretty amusing that your trying to claim that you've somehow proven me wrong just by the fact i havent dignifyed your hollow arguements with much of a response. dont flatter yourself, boy. i know enough facts to fill your whole house. you think ive just gone on saying that kmart isnt as good as you claim just because i dont like....whateve ryou think i dont like and that i dont have anything to back it up... keep dreaming. im not bothering to post because ive already been through this arguement with other people who actually knew what they were talking about and argued theyre side well with actual facts (maybe youve heard of them) and in the end they agreed. I know kenyone martin is overated. i know he's not as good as players like reef and antoine. he doesnt score as much and cant do it on his own whenever he wants to and doesnt do as many different things for his team as ereal stars do. dj premium plus was kind enough to take me out of context when i said that kmart is a reamrkably low rebounder. i said hes a remarkably low rebounder for a guy who has the size and alleged muscle and ups and athletiscm and is asking for a max contract like kmart is and i was correct. You cant expect me to keep sitting down and explaining it in words tiny enough for you to understand everytime i make you upset by pointing out that your god isnt a wonderful as you think he is when the only arguement you can give me is "duhhhhh i think he intimidatedd antoine walker cause antoine had a bad series" antoine was also selected by the coaches for the all star team. kmart wasnt. come back when you learn a little more about basketball. i gave up teaching preschool years ago
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">blablabla</div> LOL! and you say I?m taking things out of context??? Puhlease! I?m sorry dude, but I know enough about basketball to school you every day of your sorry ass life... But you probably wouldn?t notice, because you are so full of yourself all the time, using phrases like ?this is correct? and ?I know this...? Besides that, the only thing you actually do is writing down useless remarks, without any backing up in facts, and when someone proves you wrong, you turn your words around. I may not have as much posts as you do, but I don?t think quantity says something about quality does it?
rrright. "i dont think quantity says something about quality does it?" uh...that last one was a few yards shy of making any sense whatsoever quantity doesnt say much of anything. he just sits quietly in the corner and eats nachos. think whatever you want. "I know enough about basketball to school you everyday of your sorry ass life". sure u do. and u say that IM full of myself? you need to learn that its not enough just to say that you know a lot about basketball. you need to actually back it up on a consistant basis. we're still waiting to here this great vast knowledge of the game youre allways bragging about but the bragging itself is getting old just to tell you.
Can you please point out exactly where I have been bragging about my knowledge, except for the post you're responding to? (which actually was a response to your bragging). I would be really surprised if you could find a real example of this statement, you know, the facts you're always talking about. And if you can?t, we know who's talking nonsense...
lol...i gotta be honest, that really seemed like the kettle calling the pot black there...i have yet to notice magic bragging about knowledge, and oldskool...youve done it NUFF times, even to me.
ive never just said "im a basketball genius" but magicfrankie JUST said "i know enough about basketball to talk circles around you". i dont really need to talk about how much i know. the information i have been demonstrating in every discussion sinece i joined here speaks for itself. I use it when im talking about basketball with people who i feel do an acceptable job returning the favor backup their side of the arguement well and have stopped taking the time to repeat every little stat ffor casual fans like magicfrankie.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">ive never just said "im a basketball genius" but magicfrankie JUST said "i know enough about basketball to talk circles around you". i dont really need to talk about how much i know. the information i have been demonstrating in every discussion sinece i joined here speaks for itself. I use it when im talking about basketball with people who i feel do an acceptable job returning the favor backup their side of the arguement well and have stopped taking the time to repeat every little stat ffor casual fans like magicfrankie.</div> funny... http://www.justbball.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3872&page=1 and i quote olskool: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">ill still be glad to talk circles around you about basketball whneever you want</div> i have yet to see you back up any comment you make...you often voice an opinion as its a fact, and you make claims without any substance to back it up. from what iv noticed since joining here, your the master at painting a picture of yourself, then putting someone else's name on it. half the time, when someone is simply trying to have a discussion with you about something...you post and practically insult the person for merely having a different opinion then you do.
What the HELL r u talking about. i dont insult people/ sometimes they say things that make me laugh. sometimes its because its funny. sometimes its because its so ignorant its funny you seem to have some wierd agenda against me if youre going thruou piles of old quotes to find one and post it out of context to make some kind of point that no one really buys. sounds like youre the one whos the hypocrite. look through the other posts while youre at it if you want. youll find that ive posted more facs and numbers and evidence and well supported arguements that almost anyone whos been at the site. I also listen to and respect other peoples views WHEN they do a good job backing it up. ive talked to other posters who wonder wne you are ever going to back up antyhing with any actual facts. even when you post numbers you draw the wrong conclusions from them. the best advice you need to adhear to is not to make discussions and debates into personal wars like youve chosen to do here just when someone like me or anyone else proves you wrong or makes you look bad. its not the end of the world
lol...yea, i look so bad dont i? first...only a complete dork would care how he "looks" on an internet forum...secondly, i have yet to see how youve proven me wrong about anything anywhere...just like the crap about you talking circles around me, i have yet to see this happen even once. if YOU can back that claim up with any substance which apparantly you always do, go ahead, and show me where i draw the wrong conclusions from facts, get proved wrong by you, and dont back up what i say...youve made a whole lot of claims about me here, and i have yet to see you back ANY of it up. the quote i posted...i hardly went "digging though piles of old quote" it was something you said to me, i remembered exactly where it was. i have no adjenda against you, i just disagree with almost everything you say...when i disagree with someone, i discuss my opinion, thats what an internet "discusion forum" is about. sorry if it seems like im trying to be confrontational, thats not my intention, and honestly i felt the same way about you...so whatevs. how is that quote out of context? its the same thing you said to me...and you laugh about someone else sayin the exact damn thing. back that up too while your at it, and tell me how that is out of context. its not a personal war, you just talk a lot of sh!t just like you have here, and NEVER back it up...then you point the finger at others for doing that...show me WHERE i have been proved wrong by you. you listen and respect peoples views? you tried arguing with me about who my favorite players were and werent in the fav/least fav players thread...it doesnt get any more 'opinion' then who i like and dont like. by the way...thats funny that YOU have talked with other members about me...because other members have contacted me about you...your a joke, and even im surprised about how many people think that. but again, your dumbass claims that i dont back up anything i say...well show me ONCE where iv done that? can you? last time i asked you to do that, all you said was "i have nothing to prove to you" and you dont, but if your not going to "prove" what you say, then quit telling me what i do and dont do without even backing it up PEACE
