Doesn't apply because they are at $60m, not near the LT. $21M under. Deeks explains it here: http://www.shamsports.com/2012/08/addendum-to-teague-story-bulls-salary.html
That article says EXACTLY what I've been saying: Once a team uses some provision of the CBA that is only available to teams that are below the apron (like the NTPMLE)--regardless of what their team salary was when they used said provision--they are then completely prohibited from exceeding the apron at any point for the remainder of that league year. So, if Houston uses the NTPMLE to sign McDaniels--even if they are only at $60M when they do--they will then be prohibited from exceeding the apron at any point, even to re-sign their own free agents. It's really not that complicated.
The Bulls use of MLE put them over LT. Houston's use won't. That's why the apron isn't a factor here. If the Bulls did S&T, they could have used MLE AND gone over the apron using exceptions, like Teague's 120%, vet minimum, etc. Houston signing guys after MLE to go over the apron is the Teague situation. Read Deeks again
Had the S&T been done, Belinelli could then have signed for his BAE amount using the non-taxpayer MLE to do so. If a team signs a player using the non-taxpayer MLE for an amount smaller than the taxpayer MLE, it is treated as though the taxpayer MLE was used instead, for the purposes of establishing whether or not the apron can be exceeded. (Put in practice, if you sign someone using the NTPMLE, but pay them less than $3.09 million in the first year, which is what the TPMLE is this year, you can still go over the apron.) Therefore, had Hinrich not taken the MLE, Belinelli could have done, and the whole thing would have been treated as though only the TPMLE was used, Chicago could sign as many minimum salaries as they have roster space, and give Teague 120% without any repercussions apart from the luxury tax incurred. But this is not what happened.
Fine, but all the analysts are saying what I'm saying. I explained why it is, with quotes from Deeks and showed you the CBA FAQ section why your calculations are way off. But... Whatever...
All the parts you quoted said was that the Bulls needed to sign their FA for an amount smaller than the TPMLE in order to be able to exceed the apron, which (again) is what I've been saying. What analyst is saying anything like what you're saying?
The Bulls use of the MLE put them over the LT and under the apron. That's why the amount mattered. Houston is at $60M for apron purposes, nowhere near LT. Use of MLE won't put them over the LT. They're not capped at the apron. As Deeks wrote, they can sign as many vet minimum contracts as they have roster spots and go over the apron. I'm pretty sure they can use bird, early bird, non bird, etc. to go over the apron. The analysts say Houston can use full NTPMLE to match McDaniels AND at least vet minimum to re-sign Terry. It's in your own link where you got you salary figures... http://rockets.clutchfans.net/8859/houston-rockets-salary-cap-update-2015-offseason/ K.J. McDaniels: The decision with McDaniels will likely be one of the hardest decisions of the offseason for Houston. A young player with high upside, there will certainly be several teams that come calling for McDaniels’s services. But the Rockets are limited to either their qualifying offer ($1.05 million) or tapping into the MLE (or cap room) to re-sign K.J. Corey Brewer: After waiving his player option as a condition to his trade to Houston last December (an option that he undoubtedly would not have exercised anyway based on his late season performance), Brewer will become an unrestricted free agent on July 1. The Rockets hold Early Bird rights to Brewer, which means that they can offer him a deal starting as high as about $8.23 million. As it is unlikely that Brewer will do better than that (or even get that high an offer from the Rockets), Houston should be able to exceed the cap in order to retain Brewer if the sides can agree on a deal.
Because using the MLE put the Bulls over the LT and under the apron. If the Bulls did the S&T, they'd have been under the LT. By your own figuring, even countin Brewer, Beverly, and use of the full MLE, they're under the LT anyway.
http://www.blazersedge.com/2014/7/19/5919271/2015-salary-cap-room-analysis The Blazers would be about $23.9M above the NBA estimated 2015 salary cap with these players and their cap holds, and would only have the $5.5M MLE to use on free agents. (Although the Total Team Salary is above the Luxury Tax Apron, the Non-Taxpayer $5.5M MLE still applies because free agent cap holds are excluded for determining the type of MLE.)
All I said is that it would put them close to the apron, which they would then not be permitted to exceed, which would limit their options for their other FA's. It's a legit concern, especially if they fancy themselves contenders and believe that Smith and Terry will be more important to a title pursuit than McDaniels would be.
HAHA! that reminds me how i lost a bet because that jackass (Kanter) beat the spread at the last second when his team was actually down by 10. Dribble it out you asshole, this is aMurica!
See the BE link I just cited. Blazers were below the apron, get full MLE, and can go way over the apron to sign their own guys.
I don't think you understand the mentality right now. We are showcasing all these players so we can sell them for better players in the future. Hate to break it down to you ,but Vonleh is not our future finals MVP.
Sorry, but completely relevant. The Blazers get the MLE in his scenario, even though they can sign their own free agents to $89M (plus MLE). The $89M is over the apron. Do tell how this is different than Houston's situation...
No. They can not. You're wrong. Sorry. From your link: Table B shows that if the Blazers used their full MLE they couldn’t later sign Lopez and Barton for much more than their cap holds without exceeding the Apron, which would violate the Hard Cap rule. Conversely, if they signed Lopez for $12M, they could then only use the Tax-Payer MLE because they would be over the Apron
