Some of the no on prop 8 people should start a proposition to have a constitutional amendment banning marriage between a man and a woman.
Obi make some good points, and no one is telling Gays that they cannot love and have relationships. Gays should have all of the rights that all of us have. But marriage is, has been and always will be about a 1 man and 1 women. If marriage should be a right to all who are in love, shouldn't we allow polygamy? If a brother and sister are in love, shouldn't we allow them to get married? By making an exception to allow same sex marriages, you are opening the door to a much broader issue. And also, I am tired of Gays comparing themselves to Blacks. It is a disgrace and one that over 70% of Blacks in California agree with. They voted overwhelmingly to pass Prop 8. You cannot change from being Black to being white. But you supposedly can change from being straight to being gay. Look at Lindsey Lohan. She is in love with a women, but says she isn't gay. I don't think that is a genetic thing. Most gays say they were born that way. Huh? It is a behavioral choice, and a choice that is their right. They should never be persecuted for it. I will stand with them for their true civil rights against hate crimes and wrongful termination. But Marriage? No. They have the same rights I have when it comes to marriage. If they want to get married, they can get married to someone of the opposite sex. Just because they don't like the choices doesn't mean that the government should have to support it and give them the same tax benifits that traditional marriages receive.
You are wrong on a couple things. First of all, before last tuesday, marriage was between 2 individuals. It had nothing to do with 1 man and 1 woman. That was what prop 8 was about. Before 1967 marriage was between 1 white man and 1 white woman in most states. So dont say it has been and always will be yada yada nonsense. Furthermore, a big supporter of prop 8 was the Mormons. They are a religion that has embraced poligamy in the past. You think being gay is a choice? If being gay is a choice, then that is implying that gays are attracted to both men and women but choose to be with a memeber of the same sex. The corollary to that is to say that straight people are attracted to both sexes but choose to sleep with members of the opposite sex. So i ask you this, are you sexually attracted to men but just choose not to sleep with them? I know that is not the case for me and not the case for any other straight or gay Ive talked to. Whether gay is genetic or not, I dont think anyone really chooses to be gay. How is comparing gay rights different to Black rights? They are both a minorty group that is being discriminated against.
bullshit. friends i have that are gay knew they were gay when they were 10 years old, if not younger. you sound like a bigot. imagine somebody telling you you are faking who you are, and calling you a liar, just for being yourself.
You know that same sex partners could marry in Greek and Roman societies...the most modern ancient societies....marriage wasn't "between a man and woman" until the Catholic church issued a catechism in the 17th century, so given it was from the Catholic Church, I don't get why all the protestants jump on it as there reasons...only Catholics like me could jump on that as reasoning.
As far as I'm concerned, gays marrying gays is fine. Should they adopt, though, I'd just have reservations about them denying their child(ren) the natural right to having, both, a mother and a father.
Why does it matter to me? Doesn't matter why it matters to me? What matters is if enough American citizens vote to ban this through the constitution. If the entire country votes to make posting on message boards unconsitutional and it passes with all the required checks and balances then TOUGH SHIT. If we want to make it constitutional that it is ok to kick your dog and throw it out of a moving car, we can. You can fight it in court if you want, or you can ask people to reconsider and repeal the laws. Keep pushing and maybe, just maybe people will get sick of homosexuality enough that we pass something that bans it from tv or from being mentioned in school. We could pass a constitutional amendment that bans homosexuality itself. I'd vote for it. Then I would vote to make it legal for people to marry barnyard animals just to rub it in a bit. Personally, I don't have any reason to be against civil unions for homosexuals. Don't really care what they do. I really honestly wouldn't vote to ban gay marriage really, just don't care. I just honestly wish the whole thing would go away, but in a country where we let illegal immigrants roam freely what would you expect?
That is the whole problem with Liberal agenda. If I don't agree with what you do, I'm a bigot or ignorant. Why can't I have a different opinion, and why can't I believe that marriage should be between a man and a women? I also believe in affirmative action and I'm a Republican. What does that make me? I'm an educated city boy who has had gay friends and relatives. I think they are wonderful people, even if my religious beliefs do not agree with their life style. How am I a bigot? Maybe there is something in the genes that makes people gay. There is not a lick of scientific evidence of this. Alcholism, yes. Gayness, no. There are some people who are gay because they like to be different. Just like the people who walk around with Mowhawks. And being gay does not make you a minority. That is ridiculous that a behavior would be considered a protected class. Answer this for me. Should a mother be allowed to marry her 18 year old son? Should a brother be able to marry his sister if both are adults? Should a man be able to have more than 1 wife? Why do we look at those as taboo, but homosexual marriage should be accepted? It's because marriage should be between a Man and woman.
you can believe whatever you want, but you don't get to force your beliefs on other people. this is nothing more than an issue of religious "values". by making it a matter of popular vote we are effectively forcing religion on people, which is unconstitutional. i'm sure there will be a huge trend-setting lawsuit on this topic before too long, just as there was with teaching creationism in science classes. you answered your own question. people who don't believe in values based ONLY in religious tradition and not actual socially-tested morality should not be subject to them. if you say they should you are a religious bigot. actually there's some tentative evidence that hasn't been verified yet, not that that's really of any relevance. we have evidence those things are socially harmful. no such evidence exists for gay marriage. it's an affront to fundamentalist christians (which unfortunately includes a lot of blacks in california), but otherwise there is no valid argument for it being socially harmful.
Socially harmful. There is evidence that MTV is socially harmful, yet gay marriage isn't? OK It is a matter of perspective in that regard.
nothing personal, but that's probably the dumbest thing i've ever seen posted in these forums. no it's not. you can empirically demonstrate that a woman marrying her child is socially harmful. you can't do that for gay marriage. it's not a matter of perspective. it's a matter of christians wanting to force their "traditional values" on america.
What goes around comes around. As I have told others many times, you thinking that something I wrote is stupid makes me think that YOU are stupid. If you don't think that MTV is socially harmful then you are obviously cool with transexual porn stars wanting to be prom queen. Whatever floats your boat.
Barnyard animal was a poor choice. If they most cherish a particular way of having sex, that's their call. Not the government's. Not mine. Nothing makes them more or less a "couple". No one's saying they can't have civil unions (though I'm rehashing Minstrel's "separate but equal" argument, which I don't agree is relevant to this, but that's another thread). And if they have children, it goes to show (though I'm treading ignorant ground here, I don't know the laws) that the government isn't taking away their ability to have a family. But you're telling me children of civil unions are bastards, but those in same-sex marriages aren't? What about common-law marriages? What about kids whose parents are divorced, or unwed single mothers? This may not get me bonus points, but if I have two women who I love and consensually want to marry me, why can the government tell me that's illegal? Or 4? I think that we just have to face that our country is made up of an amalgam of people (who may or may not be ignorant sheep) who may think differently than we do, but the Law of the Land is still just that. My views on abortion are irrelevant to the government b/c it's been decided by the SCOTUS. My views on suicide don't matter to them because suicide is generally illegal. My views on divorce don't matter b/c the laws have been made. I think this is just an issue where most of the country/state doesn't agree with what you want. If you feel that it's an issue of bigotry or injustice, there are plenty of ways to protest that.
Haven't watched MTV since the 80's (back when they played music videos) but I see nothing wrong with transexual porn stars having high school social ambitions.
i think something you wrote makes no sense. MTV has nothing to do with gay marriage rights, and as far as i know nobody is legislating to ban MTV. it would help if you could explain what the heck you're talking about.
Okay, I'm a bit confused. I have assumed from your avatar that you are gay, and quite proud of it. But here you are offering the standard innaccurate, unsupportable, thinly disguised rant of bigotry that I expect from cowardly homophobes with a 3rd grade education. Are you gay or not?
For the people opposed to gay marriage, why does it matter to you whether gays get marriaged or not? How does it decrease the sanctity of marriage? How does it make your marriage worse for a gay person to get married?
I believe if they are adopted, they have already previously been denied having a mom and dad, either because their parents didn't want them, or due to tragic circumstances. There are over 210 Million orphans in the world as we speak. 210 Million! For comparison, the United States has a total population of 300 Million people. If someone has the heart, and the courage to make the commitment to raise one of these poor kids who currently have not only no future but no present to speak of, I say to you "get the fuck out of their way and let them be human". 210 Million Orphans!
