Kenny Smith: Zach Randolph is the best post player in the league

I don't agree with that at all and I've seen various posters make the case that's he's clearly a better player now(probably even directed at you).

Yeah, great turnaround. It only took him 3 years after he was traded to figure it out.

So that means the move is supposed to be recognized as a failure? Sorry, don't buy that at all. Miller isn't my ideal player, but I can't deny that he's been great for this team. A lot of Aldridge's improvement starts with Andre Miller.

Clearly your opinion. They traded a player who at the time was massively overpaid and immature, and that's not something you want on a team with young players that's rebuilding. It was a necessary move that really hasn't hurt the Blazers one bit. Aldridge was the all-star snub, not Randolph.

 

Randolph is still playing. And is clearly better in the playoffs this year. You know, where it actually counts.

Maybe ZBO is a better player now...but he was still a great player back then too. Just didn't have any support around him as far as teammates and he was also villified by the local beat writers and sanctimonious fans under the guise of some moral code over winning. He's always been a hard worker, not just in contract years too. Sure he may not be super muscular but that's his body type...he does well with what he has, even though he's shorter and can't jump as well as other PFs in the league. You don't average 20/10 for most of your career and be overpaid.

And it was a good turnaround. 3 years...big deal. He did figure it out. And he's advanced further than any Portland team has in 11 years.

Sure, Miller has been fine for the team. I wouldn't say he's great though. Some nice veteran experience...it was really more of Roy's injury than Miller's influence that caused Aldridge to take more of the scoring load really.

It was hardly a necessary move and it has hurt the Blazers greatly. They really fucked this one up. They had so much flexibility back then, and they managed to screw it up. They haven't had a backup PF or reliable rotation at that spot and still don't. They've been playing SFs at the 4. Signing NBDL talent to make ends meet.

 

Team success is pretty lame when comparing two players.

He's also not even close to being capable of playing the 2nd most minutes in the NBA like Aldridge did. ZBo would keel over after a week of doing that.

I'd rather have Aldridge. He's much younger and way more versatile.

 

The "player X" is still playing (in the playoffs) and "player Y" isn't argument is weak.

DeShawn Stevenson is still in the playoffs and Kobe Bryant isn't. All that tells me is that the Mavericks were better than the Lakers.

 

Zach plays 3 minutes less per game. Big deal.

I'd rather have Aldridge too. But I'd rather have ZBO than the Imaginary Cap Space plan and what we got back (which you seem to not be able to exactly hammer down what that was).

 

Well, if DeShawn Stevenson is the main reason they're still playing you would have an argument. But you don't, so you're argument is weak.

Face it, ZBO is the reason the Grizzlies are in the second round. If I were comparing say...Sam Young to Kobe Bryant maybe you would have a point but I'm not so you don't.

 

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011_leaders.html

Tell me when you find ZBo

I'm not even sure ZBo was a huge part in the expiring contracts. I think that was more RLEC+Darius.

As far as Zach, they got Frye and something else that helped them get James Jones.

 

http://www.nba.com/statistics/playe...itScope=GAME&qualified=Y&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=

Oh look. Chris Paul would keel over and die faster than ZBO since he averages less minutes than Zach Randolph.

You're grasping at straws here. I really can't believe you brought that up in this thread.

 

First, you're getting away from my original point between Aldridge and ZBo. Why would you want to do that? hmmm

Also, once again, you're twisting the facts. Chris Paul played more minutes than ZBo this year. Chris Paul played over 250 more minutes than ZBo. Facts just don't seem to be your thing.

Not grasping at anything. In between you not understanding statistics, I'm bringing real facts to the table and making valid points. You seem to be the one grasping at straws honestly.

 

Yes. Let's bring as many stupid fucking statistics that really don't mean jack shit as we can here for some obscure argument I don't know where you are going with.

LaMarcus Aldridge good? ok.

what the fuck does that have to do what we're talking about here?

holy fucking shit, its a waste of time here. You're just pulling irrelevant shit out of your ass, throwing it against the wall and hoping it sticks.

 

I already said several times I like Aldridge over ZBO. I said that at draft day for fucks sake. I just said what we traded him for was bullshit and there was no real plan.

Yeah, keep on hmmm'ing yourself. I'm sure you'll figure out what you're trying to prove here eventually.

 

Lol

You only say that because I carved up your reply to my minutes played post. It's not my fault you make it so easy.

That said, this has been fun, but I'm tired of being right in this thread for tonight. Maybe tomorrow.

 

You haven't carved shit. But go ahead and pull some other obscure stat that has nothing to do with my assertation that the ZBO trade and the imaginary cap space plan was a horrible failure.

"But LaMarcus Aldridge plays the 2nd most minutes in the league!"

 

Ok, so lets agree Zach is Memphis' best player. Let's also agree Kobe Bryant is the Lakers best player. Because Memphis is still in the playoffs and the Lakers are not, does that mean Zach is better than Kobe?

 

This year in the playoffs? Yes.

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Ok, I'll buy that logic. I will buy that Zach has also been better than LMA in the playoffs this year.

LMA was better than Zach in the 09 and 10 playoffs.

Neither has anything to do with a trade that happened years ago, comparing who is a better fit for Portland, etc.

 

Of course not. You have to compare zach for what we got back in return, not aldridge. A comparison I really never made at all and am confused why its brought up.

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Holy shit I missed a flame war! Good read