Keon Johnson

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  1. Blazinaway

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    with steady minutes the past several games his shooting percentages are increasing which is what I want to see
     
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    Looks like a more athletic CJ with his mid-range game.
     
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    When we first got him in the trade I did some digging and saw some articles from a few teams that were targeting him before the draft.
    He definitely was on some team's radar. Like a few of you have alluded to, he is really using the playing time to get better. He has a lot of potential for sure.
    By season 3 he could look like an entirely different player.
     
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    looking at these highlights, kid has impressive tools in his rookie season, which makes you wonder how good this kid can become

    slashing ability, mid range game, 3-pointers and is a crafty player (@HailBlazers, you made a good comparison, although i see some b-roy in him too, looks like a hybrid)
     
  5. Pinwheel1

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    Yeah, the mix of ages will be interesting. I think we need a blend for sure. I look at what the Lakers did this last off-season and I view it as a mistake. Maybe instead of surrounding the 37-year-old LBJ with older vets, they should have gone with younger players who bring energy and let LeBron lead them. Maybe that is not in his DNA but I think it is with Dame.

    The 5 youngsters I would keep for sure (unless they were demanded in a trade) are:
    Simons, Little, Watford, Brown, Keon, and our #1 pick

    Then we have Nurk, Hart, and Winslow who are in their mid to late 20s (Maybe Eubanks as well)
    That leaves the possibility of Grant (28) and another backup center. That is 12 players, 6 young and 6 who are mid to late 20s

    The other 3 players will be interesting. I am hoping for another PF (MLE) who will make the rotation and a backup PG (maybe Dunn or Williams)
    Maybe Didi as well?

    Edit: Oops I forgot to include Dame. So subtract one of those options. I also forgot the 2nd rounder who could be just as good as a late 1st rounder.
     
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    Keon in his last 5 games

    30mpg
    16ppg
    3.6 apg
    3.8 rpg
    1.2 spg
    0.8 bpg
    47% FG
    45% 3PT

    He's gonna be 20 years old for the majority of next season.

    PS: Billups is the god of developing guards.
     
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    I still see Keon as a valuable complementary commodity who'll be able to hold his own in the rotation of a contending team in a couple of years. I don't think he'll ever be a star or a main option, but he scores enough, defends enough (with upside in that regard) and handles well enough ... he's a Swiss Army knife that will draw a lot of favorable matchups so long as he's not THE guy. Think he's too small to play the 3 in regular situations, though.
     
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    No expert but I like the look of his shot.
     
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    It's better than advertised but streaky and deliberate.

    He's getting off a lot of set shot 3s now because the other tanking teams we're playing don't have athletes who can handle Keon if he drives and there's enough of a book that his shot is suspect that they'll let him have it. Play a good defensive team with something to play for and he won't have that kind of time and space; he needs to quicken his release considerably.

    Even with that caveat, I like what I think he'll bring. I don't think the outside shot will ever be a reliable calling card for him, but, if he can make it so it isn't a major liability, that'll be super.
     
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    Perfect example of what I wrote yesterday about Keon's outside shot. He doesn't get that off against even average defense. It's slow-motion and no elevation.
     
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    Andre Miller-esque.
     
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    Reminds me of what was said about Dame before we drafted him.
     
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    Keon's already on the team ....
     
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    Dame's shot when he came into the league had a really low release point. But it was never slow, and he could get it off using both the hop and the one-two and was quite accurate even when contested. He was actually quite advanced as a shooter when he came in-- just needed to raise his arms a bit. And no elevation??? Are you talking about Dame?
     
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    More like perfect example of confirmation bias. It’s “slow” on purpose, he’s talked about it before. It allows him to be consistent with his mechanics. It’s how some other players who struggled became passable shooters over their careers, like Ricky Rubio and Rajon Rondo. Keons game is never gonna revolve around his three point shot. He just needs to get it to the point where he can knock down the open ones. And he’s accomplishing that.
     
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    You're actually telling me I'm wrong by saying even Keon says he agrees with me. Interesting.

    In other words, I didn't say the reason it was a slow, deliberate, methodical release. I said he had a slow, deliberate, methodical release. The reason for having a slow, deliberate, methodical release is immaterial unless you're trying to conflate issues for some reason.
     
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    I am talking about the concern about Dame by a few of our posters. He immediately put that to rest during summer league only a couple of weeks later. A low release point is not a concern of mine. I don't view Keon as a superstar, so most of his 3 point shots will only be taken when he is wide open. He elevates just fine when he is attacking the basket.
     
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    im not talking about keon. i'm just wondering who said Dame had a slow release and low elevation as a youngin?
     
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    My notes don't go back 10 years on who said what. But I can assure you it was a topic of conversation before the draft, about his low release, and the low level of competition that he played against.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Did a quick forum search. @Blaze01--who famously excoriated the Blazers for taking Dame over "Harrison effing Barnes", and subsequently left the forum shortly after Dame proved to be everything we hoped he might be and more-- is the primary guy who criticized his shot's release point. @Nikolokolus-- also long gone-- claimed it had many "hitches", but also said they were correctable and would speed up his shot.

    Pretty much everyone else said those guys were nuts.
     
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