Kevin Love AGAIN (with poll)

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Would you trade for Kevin Love?

  1. Yes for anyone other than Lillard and McCollum

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  2. Yes for anyone other than Lillard, McCollum or Nurkic

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  3. Yes for scrubs

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  4. Not at any price

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  1. JoshuaHall

    JoshuaHall Well-Known Member

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    Like I said, consider us different. That is fine. I do because it doesn’t happen often. You could very well be right and he happened to play bonkers on the perfect night at the perfect time.

    Like I said — doesn’t mean he is an all star or anything — I’m just not trading him away for nothing.

    I consider KLOVE nothing. Dude is not good imo.

    Obviously not nothing... but not good enough. Y’all know what I mean.
     
    JoshuaHall, Jun 19, 2019
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Because not every rookie is given 48 minutes to do whatever they want.
     
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    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    If the Blazers value Simons more than the rest of the league does (and I'd bet they do), that is the exact reason why you don't trade him.
     
    BBert, Jun 19, 2019
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    Age...ok. athleticism, ok again

    but at the pre-draft camp, his height, w/o shoes, was 6' 2.25'' & his wingspan was 6' 9.25'. For a comparison, Dame was 6'1.75" with a wingspan of 6'7.75. In other words, Simons was only a half inch taller than Dame, and only had a 1.5" advantage in wingspan. There's not a lot of "potential" in those measurements of height and length. Simons was the same height as CJ. For chrissakes, Donovan Mitchell was a full inch shorter than Simons but had a 6'10" wingspan, 3/4 of an inch more than Simons

    Maybe Simons can be more of a PG/facilitator than CJ is but that's not saying much.
     
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    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

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    Wrong Cliff Robinson. This one, not this one.

    Also: DaJuan Wagner - there's a name I'd forgotten.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Simons also could still be growing. Recall the reports that the previously 6'5" Ntilikina is now 6'7". No guarantee that Simons' measurements at 18yo will be the same as when he is 23.
     
    PtldPlatypus, Jun 19, 2019
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    Mea culpa. I just saw the name and assumed. Thank you for the clarification
     
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    that's possible, sure

    but until we get some actual indication that's happening, listing height and length as components of "potential" seems like a real stretch for a guard under 6'3, especially if he's mostly a SG.
     
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    They are one just one year older, that is a lot? I also don't get Simons accomplishments. Being a starter for a playoff team i guess is a bigger accomplishment than dropping 37 in a meaningless game since your team felt they can only play you good minutes once in the entire season aiming to lose.

    Maybe if Diallo had played 48 mins instead of 22 in the game he scored 18 pts it would be different. Just stating one game and disregarding an entire season cannot make Simons seem better.
     
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    Hes not under 6'3
     
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    When pre-draft height/wingspan measurements are listed as definitive limitations on potential, it is reasonable to mention the possibility for growth as possible mitigators of that limitation.
     
    PtldPlatypus, Jun 20, 2019
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    I'd rather have Evan Turner than Kevin Love. Love is massively overpaid for 3 years. He has negative value. He makes no sense with a DameCJ defense team.

    It would be as bad as doing the Turner Crabbe Meyers Harkless contracts all over again.

    I hope we trade Turner for a different vet on an expiring deal.
     
    SharpesTriumph, Jun 20, 2019
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    If D is the problem, then at the same time we can try to trade CJ for a better wing defender.

    Like Harkless+Turner+25+2023 2nd for Love
    and then
    CJ for Jrue

    So the Pelicans will get a better shooter that fits next to Zion. They will also get one year less because CJ expires before Jrue.

    I think our starting 5 would be way more solid that way, problem is an ambulance should always be by our side.
     
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    where exactly were his pre-draft measurements listed as "definitive limitations on potential"? the opposite happened here

    somebody listed his height as a positive factor in potential; I pointed out that he was the same height as CJ in pre-draft measurements, and CJ's height has never really been a positive. It certainly doesn't define his overall game, but it has limited it...that's not a positive

    and sure, it's all picking nits

    he was a year ago and no, I don't consider 'with shoes' since over the years I've seen anywhere from 0.5" to 2.5" being added to a height with shoes
     
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    Seems silly to me to say that there's not much "potential" indicated by an 18yo's pre-draft measurements lining up favorably with those of all-star/caliber players who were 4 years older when they went through the same process...but that's just my perspective. YMMV.
     
    PtldPlatypus, Jun 20, 2019
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    I would love to have another player with McCollums "limitations".
     
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    Great, now I need to reevaluate my position. :devilwink:

    (J/k @CupWizier. Just flipping you crap cause I know you can take it.)
     
    PtldPlatypus, Jun 20, 2019
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    Follow me son and I will lead you to greatness. :smiley-smiley-049:
     
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    ok? but they also "line up" with Elliot Williams, Jordan Crawford, Travis Leslie, ETwaun Moore, Marcus Denmon, Dion Waiters, Brandon Paul, Markel Brown, Kendall Williams, Elfrid Payton, Marcus Thornton, & Wade Baldwin

    so then, going by pre-draft heights & wingspan, his potential can fall somewhere between Nolan Smith & Stephen Curry. You're right, there is some silliness going on here and we're all contributing
     
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    Some seem to be comparing Love's defense (bad) to CJs (bad). The stats don't reflect this. I know Def Rat and Def WS are not perfect, but Love is way ahead of CJ in every year, except last year on a bad Cavs team. I would much rather take on Love and get a better defender at the 2.
     
    Reep, Jun 20, 2019
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